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    Paua, as I recall Fella was basically just trail broke and you had several issues with his ground manners, steering, brakes, and his canter. I think the people that critiqued his video when you bought him were very honest about what they saw and what you got was what we saw. I'm sure you realize the challenges of a rider inexperienced with green (in particular big, strong, and green) horses now that you've gone through it.

    This percheron is not broke, he is older and worn, and he will get you hurt. He is not the horse for you.


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    Quote Originally Posted by paulaedwina View Post
    Really. Sometimes you're so close to a thing that you lose perspective. So really please remind me of the Fella issues you're referring to.

    Aaah, you thought I was being a smart ass. No, that was not my intention.

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    Paula he had ground manners issues at the first barn then you had a couple of months there where you didn't ride him at all, right? And now he's in Wonderbarn with Wondertrainer and magically all is well.

    I wish you no harm but you either wax poetic to amp up the responses or you grossly overstate(d) your little flower's 'issues' in the interest of...interest. You've made Fella a center of attention with your many, many stories of his 'issues.'


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    Ah yes. At Barn 1 we had no problem, we just had no training and I didn't have the skills to train him beyond getting him not to balk. He rode like a 2-legged horse being closely pursued by another 2-legged horse. And his canter was typical of a horse that couldn't use his hind end -he'd run into it. Barn 1 was where I'd ridden and worked for years. The trainer I'd intended to use because incapacitated with an injury.

    Fella at Barn 1

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=HDEgDlTkpJ0

    I found a dressage trainer and he went into full training at Barn 2. Barn 2 had a rule that you didn't ride the horse while she installed the buttons, but you rode her horses to learn the buttons. Within a couple of months Fella was basket case who bolted out of hand, and pulled down the trainer. I hadn't ridden him in months by then. This trainer convinced me to try calming supplements. However, when I suggested that perhaps he needed another trainer she kicked us out.

    Barn 3 was where we were heading, just not as precipitously. My friends rode there and whenever they were at shows their horses were lovely and all the student representatives rode well. The owner/trainer was an eventer and barrel racer who rehabbed draft horses for Gentle Giants. Her partner was also a barrel racer and trainer. She took us in and we waited for the explosion -because boy howdy he was hot and high when Ricky went with me to get him from Barn 2.

    No explosion. We figured he was drugged and gave him a couple of days to come down. Nothing. No explosion. It's like he took a breath. My new trainer Jessica rode him indoors, outdoors, and hacked him out. The first time I got on him at her barn after month and months of not riding him I rode like a crab and was wary of the ground. Nothing happened. I ride this horse indoors, outdoors, and on the trail. We did start conditioning with an eventer there. I did have an unscheduled dismount 2 Fridays ago! But I have my old horse back.

    It is like a miracle, but they say they've seen this before. I do not think those issues came from the seller -she (the woman who sold him to the broker) was as perplexed as I about his apparent nuttiness. I think, especially as I hear more and more stories about Barn 2 (including one observation that the horses this person had seen from that barn seemed a little wound up) that it was barn 2.

    Barn 2 trainer told me he was dangerous and I'd eventually sell him at auction and he'd end up in a can of dog food.

    I did not amp it up, and am not waxing poetic. These are the issues we went through. He's currently at Sunset Valley Farm in Union Bridge, MD with Jessica Millard. She is brilliant with man and beast. I had gotten so afraid to ride my horse that on our second lesson with her I froze with one foot on the mounting block and one foot in the stirrup (Fella standing still).
    "Oh, Jessica" was all I could say -stricken as I was.
    She smiled at me in her calming way and said, "That's okay, just take your time" and just like that I got on my horse.

    When we were having issues with saddle fit I started riding him bareback and hacked out bareback! This same horse that was such a terror. I'm sure someone here on the Chronicle knows this trainer and can attest.

    Fella and Me at Sunset Valley bareback http://www.flickr.com/photos/5296733...in/photostream

    Sunset Valley http://www.facebook.com/pages/Sunset...m/237409739198

    Does that clarify?
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    Yes, it clarifies that this percheron is not an appropriate horse for you. Pass.


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    I see some very bad behavior in that video. I would pass. With a big horse like that, barn sourness (remember, he's worked as part of a team, and is not used to going by himself, either) is difficult to get around. He's reactive, pissy, and NOT happy about going away from the barn. Don't you think there's a reason he's not shown going happily up and away down the road but is instead being worked right there next to it? It's not because the camera man doesn't want to walk, I'd wager.


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    I'll be the voice of reason here, not by critiqueing the new horse, but by simply pointing out that for folks working full time it's really difficult to accomplish your goals with one horse, never mind two! It sounds as though you're making progress toward your goals with Fella and your current trainer, and all of that slows down greatly when you're working two...especially two that are green, or at least not finished.
    When I had two horses, it was a constant struggle to find enough time for each of them. And my pony is insanely jealous!
    So admire from your monitor, dream away, and go back to ride your one horse


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    Quote Originally Posted by Houndhill View Post
    I don't get it, OP.....what do you find appealing about this animal? Nothing about him spoke to me, so I am genuninely curious.
    I think he reminds me of Lily somehow. I think I look at him move and remember riding Lily the perch/qh http://www.flickr.com/photos/5296733...in/photostream

    And I like his neck and his comfy curvy body. I like riding drafts alot and he's like a compact truck at 15.3. He sort of reminds me of a Haffie cross at the barn -another compact couch. That's the best I can say -there's something in the way he moves that attracts me like few other horsies.

    Hinderella, you're right of course. I only have the one butt and I do work for a living. Sigh.

    Thatmoody, you have an eye (or objectivity ).


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    So you had no recollection and now it came flooding back.


    Ok


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    I absolutely support your dreams . But Hinderella has a good point. What if something happens to Fella that you need the cash you're putting into jerky horse to pay for? THAT is what I worry about, so I try to stay a bit under budget. If I want a project horse, trust me, they are easy enough to find and you don't have to PAY to ride them! I currently am riding a very nice Morgan who acted (at first) just like this horse, so it's one reason I recognize the behavior. But he was neither so big nor so old, nor so solidified in the behavior. He was easier to get out of it, but still is not quite safe to ride. You HAVE to ride him in an enclosed arena, and he is a PITA. NOT something I'd recommend for even an experienced amateur.


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    Yes, Katarine. I was driving home from my evening class thinking about it and couldn't wait to post. I gave it weighty and serious consideration.

    Thatmoody, you're absolutely right. It makes no sense does it? Sigh. It's that time of year for this kind of squishy thinking too. And you guys are right too -Fella and I have come a long darned way so why mess with a good thing now right?

    Paula
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    He's a $700 horse at a broker who appears to typically price horses at $2-3,000. That's not "affordable," that's a red flag.

    He clearly has training issues, and if you are honest with yourself based on your history with Fella, you're not in a position to work through training issues on your own yet.

    So can you afford board + training and/or board + very regular lessons?

    Can you afford spending double on basic horse care and still weather a major financial crisis?

    Do you have a plan if he turns out just not to be suitable for you -- not sound enough, not able to stay sound enough, not the type of ride you enjoy, whatever? And be honest here; "I'll sell him" is easy to say, but you're talking about an older, green draft horse with training issues. What's the market for him really?

    I say this as someone who made an impulse buy early this year. And then immediately had vet bills on my first horse and two surgeries on me in less than six months. I am grateful every day that I bought Dexter, and even more grateful that I ran the numbers, ran the numbers, made multiple contingency plans with my head instead of my heart, and ran the numbers again.

    Stop the "squishy thinking." It's time to move beyond thinking with your heart and start thinking with your head.

    If you take a hard (and realistic) look at him and decide you can make it work, more power to you. But for both your sakes, make sure you ARE taking a hard and realistic look at the situation.


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    But don't feel bad - I just sold my current horse and am NOT browsing. But only because my trainer and good friend is sitting on me. I have something else to ride, so no more projects for me for right now!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sempiternal View Post
    If I can sell my gelding there is a weanling filly that I have been drooling over for months now. More than likely she will be long since sold by the time I get my boy going (and with enough show experience) to get what I want for him. Oh well, I can still dream!
    I thought my filly would be gone by the time I was ready to buy her. Since the time I first saw her, I "inherited" my mom's horse and we built a 6 stall barn very close to my work, with 3 horses in it. Two years later, somehow she was still available and I have constantly looked around and found nothing which suits my particular needs as well. She's in the age range I wanted as a next dressage horse, since I want to have more than one going at a time given how long training takes, especially for those of us who aren't pros, and the tendency horses have to self-injury.

    Quote Originally Posted by paulaedwina View Post
    Really. Sometimes you're so close to a thing that you lose perspective. So really please remind me of the Fella issues you're referring to.

    Aaah, you thought I was being a smart ass. No, that was not my intention.

    Paula
    It was about the ground issues, the not riding, etc. You are inexperienced enough and interested in diversity of what you do enough that you should buy a horse you can happily jump on and go hack through the woods alone or with a friend, bareback with a halter if you want. Fella's heading the right direction for you now, but it doesn't always work out that well if you're buying a horse who doesn't already have the training and attitude down. And it can take years - which are not what a 15 year old who has lived a hard life is likely to have too many of.

    As for the type of horse - the ones you love and find comfy are painful for me. But I absolutely think if you wanted a second horse there are plenty of the type you love who can perform, show, hack through woods and take care of you so you don't have to wait for someone else to get the horse trained for you. Probably some of them 15 and ready to "retire" from a harder competitive life but with the training you want already. You DESERVE that.

    Quote Originally Posted by paulaedwina View Post
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    I had gotten so afraid to ride my horse that on our second lesson with her I froze with one foot on the mounting block and one foot in the stirrup (Fella standing still).
    "Oh, Jessica" was all I could say -stricken as I was.
    She smiled at me in her calming way and said, "That's okay, just take your time" and just like that I got on my horse.
    He is clearly a good citizen at heart. With a horse with less training and possibly less manners, you're likely to have that kind of fear again - but less likely to get as lucky a second time with a horse who will be there for you and help you work it out even after he was in a situation which for whatever reason made him nutty even as he was too untrained to really know what was expected. Folks think that the draft crosses are calmer, but really all being a draft cross means is they're typically physically capable of dragging you for longer if you get hung up. Beyond that, they are individuals and Fella's a good egg who needs training but has the right mind, but I'm not sure we've seen reason to believe that's from your knowledge vs. your luck.

    As for the falling off? Meh, happens to everyone. If you posted the circumstances I missed them, but without knowing them I don't even give that a second thought.
    My horse is a dressage diva so I don't have to be.

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    He does not look sound to me. Left hind is stiff. I would pass.


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    Thank you so much for talking me out of the tree! You're right -many of you

    1. I can't afford 2 horses without a real squeeze.

    2. I was very lucky with Fella in choosing him and the trainers I fell in with for the most part. He's a good boy, and kind and forgiving, and coming along very nicely. Spinning the barrel again may not result in good fortune a second time, and I am not skilled enough on my own to have two unfinished horses.

    3. Yes, it's definitely my trainers skills not my own that have gotten me this far and so aside from purchasing a second horse, I should, right up front, figure in a few months training!

    4. The unscheduled dismount. It was after a lesson and we were out on our second conditioning ride with the eventer who graciously allows us to go with her as she brings a new horse along. There are lots of hills and a hacking trail at Sunset Valley so much room for WTC. We were galloping up one one hill, I was in two point, it was amazing, and then we started veering into the rough (still no big deal) and then he bucked. If I were sitting it wouldn't have been an issue, but in 2 point -a position I hadn't seriously assumed in years so it was probably not balanced anyway -I went right over his left shoulder.

    I lay there a while contemplating the sky and WTF just happened why Alyssa held Fella (he didn't run off or anything that). Apparently I was loud about coming off and heard through the valley by man and horse, because my trainer came flying up on her gator. Bless her heart, she made me get back on and finish my course This was probably the very best thing since I am prone to being a bit neurotic

    Analysis: Not sure what happened. I am riding treeless so I wonder if 2-point put pressure any particular place on his back? But I've been riding treeless and I've been in 2 point on his back in this situation before.

    Exuberance -it was a cold, crisp, Fall day?

    I think maybe it was my spurs (short POWs). I'd worn them in lesson for the first time in a while. I thought about taking them off before going out, but didn't. Perhaps in 2 point I inadvertently spurred him -might explain the veer to the right.

    Things to do differently the next time out.

    1. No spurs
    2. I'm buying an eventer vest because I don't bounce like I used to. Dang.

    So disaster averted. I am not going to pursue Randy.

    Thanks, guys!

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    In a nutshell you get what you pay for...$700. horse is a $700. horse....



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    LOL! My problem is I admire people like Carl Hester who cut his dressage eyeteeth on cheap horses. I conveniently forget him talking about being mashed and chucked in the process

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    Yeah, I just sold my cheap horse, but I deliberately didn't talk about all the times I came off him - those are just part of the process. Besides, don't want to hurt his sales chances, and by the time he's prepped for sale, those times should be well over. He's off to his eventing home, and is VERY talented, so all's well that ends well, eh? BUT, those talented horses, what they don't tell you is that athletic usually equals some shennanigans at the beginning.


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    Quote Originally Posted by paulaedwina View Post
    4. The unscheduled dismount. It was after a lesson and we were out on our second conditioning ride with the eventer who graciously allows us to go with her as she brings a new horse along. There are lots of hills and a hacking trail at Sunset Valley so much room for WTC. We were galloping up one one hill, I was in two point, it was amazing, and then we started veering into the rough (still no big deal) and then he bucked. If I were sitting it wouldn't have been an issue, but in 2 point -a position I hadn't seriously assumed in years so it was probably not balanced anyway -I went right over his left shoulder.
    Meh, still doesn't really bother me. Very likely exuberance, even if the spur was involved, too. I think most horses not used to getting to go very forward (or encouraged to) forget themselves a little, but sounds like he had a very honest reaction rather than intending misbehavior.

    If you really think you want a second horse, I think 15 and on his way down from a higher performance career could be exactly what you could use. And I say this as the woman whose first horse tried to kill me regularly. I was simply too stubborn (and young) to let her win!

    My VERY athletic TB I have now has done all kinds of shenanigans with me including scaring a few years out of a clinician who thought his aerials would make me hit the ground and more than one ride where my trainer said she would have gotten off and not tried to ride him through it. And I came off him when he half passed too steeply.... Yes, I was asking for the half pass. ;-)
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    You know, I thought it was exuberance too. Basically I aimed him at the hill and got out of his way and he was having a blast (it felt like such a surge of power -it was awesome). My anthropomorphic interpretation was, "Woohoo this is great! Hey, where'd ya go? Whatcha doin' down there?"

    Yes, I think if I do get a second horse for competitive trail and fun it would be an older smarty coming down from an intense career. That would be what I needed; smart, seasoned, and happy to just fart around in the woods, around barrels and the like. Sort of a home for a happy-but-sound retirement. Thank you; that gives me context.

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