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    Quote Originally Posted by NOMIOMI1 View Post

    But then again since that is the LARGEST portion of abortion reasons then I am speaking to a lot of women yes.

    Do you think it is empowering for a woman to get aid from the government or her "man" to get an abortion? Do you think this is a right in the same sense as equal rights in the work place?
    There are MANY reasons girls/women seek to have an abortion and I don't presume to know them. Bottom line: it's NONE OF MY BUSINESS. Nor is it yours. The empowerment is in the CHOICE and having the ability to choose.
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    Palin is vilified because she's stupid and a quitter. Myself and many women longed for a viable woman in a high position in gov't, esp. one who advocated the outdoors - golden! Then we got to know her. Her stupidity and utter lack of knowledge made her totally unfit for being a hairs-breadth away from the presidency and so they lost. Then she actually quit as governor boo-hooing that people were mean to her. She deserves all the vilification she gets. It has nothing to do with her ovaries and entirely to do with her brain.

    And this? This comment is priceless:

    Quote Originally Posted by fooler View Post
    Now back to the comments made by two different Repub congressmen. The comments are offensive and stupid. Two of our choices are to run them out of office or to educate the "gentlemen". My choice is to educate them and at the same time educate others. Plus as long as they are in office, we can keep an eye on them.
    You want to vote for CONGRESSMEN who you admit are both offensive and stupid because
    "if they're in office we can keep an eye on them."

    No. We kick them out the door and put into office people who are not stupid.

    Quote Originally Posted by fooler View Post
    I think what Mourdock was trying to say is we as humans have free will. Our daily choices are to follow His teachings or not. Rape is against His teachings, so the rapist chooses to go against God's will. Where it breaks down for me is how the woman, who is probably "walking the walk", becomes the victim. As said before, the woman has no control over the rapist's or incest perp's actions, she does control her life afterwards.
    blah blah blah. All this talk about choices, choices, choices, all the time the Republican party is working towards Eliminating the very choices you're talking about. Free will? Your idea of free will is free to do what YOU think I should do according to YOUR beliefs.

    American Taliban, indeed. Ain't never gonna happen. Thank God for people intelligent enough to see through this double-talk and agree that these people have got to go.


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    Quote Originally Posted by NOMIOMI1 View Post
    Do you think it is empowering for a woman to get aid from the government or her "man" to get an abortion? Do you think this is a right in the same sense as equal rights in the work place?
    It is against the law to use government aid to get an abortion, and has been since the Hyde Amendment was passed in the 70s(?).

    And why does a woman need aid from anyone to get an abortion? Some of us have jobs... (No, I've never had an abortion).

    Oh, wait, am I stalking you again?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anne FS View Post
    Palin is vilified because she's stupid and a quitter. Myself and many women longed for a viable woman in a high position in gov't, esp. one who advocated the outdoors - golden! Then we got to know her. Her stupidity and utter lack of knowledge made her totally unfit for being a hairs-breadth away from the presidency and so they lost. Then she actually quit as governor boo-hooing that people were mean to her. She deserves all the vilification she gets. It has nothing to do with her ovaries and entirely to do with her brain.
    This. +1
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    Quote Originally Posted by NOMIOMI1 View Post
    I dont think it is an easy choice, but it does not make it the right one.

    My comments about selfish and lazy were directed to the women talking about their career suffering or the cost of a child as being a good reason to "get rid" of it.

    But then again since that is the LARGEST portion of abortion reasons then I am speaking to a lot of women yes.

    Do you think it is empowering for a woman to get aid from the government or her "man" to get an abortion? Do you think this is a right in the same sense as equal rights in the work place?

    I see it as sad and enslaving yourself to something different altogether. Regret.
    From Web MD

    Each year, nearly 1.2 million American women have an abortion to end a pregnancy.2

    The most common reasons women consider abortion are:

    Birth control (contraceptive) failure. Over half of all women who have an abortion used a contraceptive method during the month they became pregnant.2
    Inability to support or care for a child.
    To end an unwanted pregnancy.
    To prevent the birth of a child with birth defects or severe medical problems. Such defects are often unknown until routine second-trimester tests are done.
    Pregnancy resulting from rape or incest.
    Physical or mental conditions that endanger the woman's health if the pregnancy is continued.
    In the United States, 9 out of 10 abortions are performed in the first 12 weeks (first trimester) of pregnancy. Most of these are done within the first 9 weeks of pregnancy.2

    Very few abortions are done after 16 weeks of pregnancy. But some women have to delay abortions because they have trouble with paying for, finding, or traveling to an abortion specialist.

    http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/29/opinio...ity/index.html
    (a very well written article)

    " Women choose abortion for one overwhelming reason: economic insecurity. The large majority of women who chose abortion in 2008, 57%, reported a disruptive event in their lives in the previous 12 months: most often, the loss of a job or home."

    I recommend the entire article, but that strikes at the opposite of what you said. Women aren't doing it because they think it will interrupt their job, THEY DON'T HAVE A JOB or a house or the financial means etc.


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    Quote Originally Posted by cloudyandcallie View Post
    Being a "victim" is a choice?
    She (he?) is trying to paint raped women as professional victims. You know, like the people who over-react to everything and everything is always someone else's fault. You know the type. "Poor me" all the time even in very minor incidents and NOTHING is ever their fault. That's what she means by women playing victim and not choosing to rise above.


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    •47% of women who have abortions had at least one previous abortion (AGI).

    •On average, women give at least 3 reasons for choosing abortion: 3/4 say that having a baby would interfere with work, school or other responsibilities; about 3/4 say they cannot afford a child; and 1/2 say they do not want to be a single parent or are having problems with their husband or partner (AGI).

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    Quote Originally Posted by LexInVA View Post
    That GOP died a long time ago. Why do you think we have Romney/Ryan? They represent the worst aspects of what is now American Conservatism,
    But yet the last election was close and this one is, too. So the old GOP is dead, but the new GOP has millions & millions of followers who love this stuff and fully support it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by FatCatFarm View Post
    There are MANY reasons girls/women seek to have an abortion and I don't presume to know them. Bottom line: it's NONE OF MY BUSINESS. Nor is it yours. The empowerment is in the CHOICE and having the ability to choose.
    Yes Yes YES!


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    NOMIOMI1, you are very, very presumptuous. It's a bit nauseating.

    You have absolutely no right and no grounds to be telling anyone what the "right" choice is for them. You are only responsible for making decisions for YOUR OWN body. Not for anyone else's.

    The reasons behind their decisions are simply NOT YOUR BUSINESS. Seriously. AT ALL.

    And judging people for these choices is just disgusting.

    Do you think it is empowering for a woman to get aid from the government or her "man" to get an abortion? Do you think this is a right in the same sense as equal rights in the work place?
    There is no federal aid for abortion. To presume that a woman is getting aid from her "man" for an abortion is again, PRESUMPTUOUS. And how does that have anything to do with equal rights in the workplace?

    I also personally think that terminating a pregnancy because one does not have the funds to raise a child is perfectly reasonable if that is the correct choice for the woman. But if you're going to sit there and throw a fit about how wrong it is, I hope you are personally willing to provide support to all the women who are raising children that they can't pay for. Or is it better to let them just live in poverty?
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    Sigh.I guess the thread was hyjacked (and didn't we already do this one last time?)

    If a woman does not feel an abortion is appropriate for her, she should not have one. If a woman DOES feel, for whatever reason, as though it is the right choice for her at that time, she should have one and OTHER people should not be sitting around wondering if her reason was "good enough". (Was her rape "legitimate"? Did she REALLY try and avoid conceiving?). If we truly trust women, we trust that each one of us will make the best choices we can for ourselves and our lives at a particular point in time. I think women are more than up to the task of making good decisions about their bodies and medical care and do not need the dictates of strangers and the government telling them what to do (we do not do this for men).


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    Quote Originally Posted by NOMIOMI1 View Post
    •47% of women who have abortions had at least one previous abortion (AGI).

    •On average, women give at least 3 reasons for choosing abortion: 3/4 say that having a baby would interfere with work, school or other responsibilities; about 3/4 say they cannot afford a child; and 1/2 say they do not want to be a single parent or are having problems with their husband or partner (AGI).

    http://www.abort73.com/abortion_fact...on_statistics/
    NOMIOMI1,

    One of my childhood bff's parents was the head of the NC right to life group. I gave a talk my senior year of high school on why abortion was evil. And then came college and life hit me like a mack truck and I encountered the possibility of having to choose firsthand. I saw 2 of my closest friends choose to terminate pregnancies for reasons that, to me, were frivolous. I'm happy to talk to you outside of COTH if you wish and I'll be glad to explain why my views radically shifted. Abortion is, and always will be, a horrible thing. No one wants to have one. As someone posted earlier, they aren't "funsies." But if we spend our time ripping each other apart, judging them from our own narrow perspective rather than empathizing and loving them even if we don't always agree with their choices, then we've stripped away any chance for hope, understanding, and certainly any chance to work together for the betterment of our society.

    This conversation isn't about any one of us individually, yet our own stories are so vital to moving forward. And it's time we share them and speak out.
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    I have sat in an abortion clinic. I had compassion for the people there, but NONE for advocates who push pro-choice.

    I have more than two close friends that have terminated and one of them countless times.

    I dont think it should be a right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NOMIOMI1 View Post
    I have sat in an abortion clinic. I had compassion for the people there, but NONE for advocates who push pro-choice.
    This seems like a non-sequitor.

    Back to the original topic--I can see where Mourdock thought what he was saying wasn't totally horrific. But he wasn't thinking from the perspective of someone who had been raped. Estimates are 20-25% of American women will be raped in their lifetime. That's double your risk of breast cancer.

    I think because we don't talk about rape (outside of sound bites), we don't humanize it, that it still has this secretive feeling going on and people can assume that it doesn't happen to good people. Or maybe they were good, but let themselves get tempted and so they deserved it. No one deserves it. No one. Not the corner hooker. Not the clubbing college student. Not the grandmother in the grocery store. No one. And to further insult and alienate the victims (and yes, they are victims) is in my eyes, equally heinous with the crime itself.
    Flip a coin. It's not what side lands that matters, but what side you were hoping for when the coin was still in the air.

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    Removed my post.
    I've decided I really don't want to share that much. It's not going to change any minds.
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    Totally agree with this - have seen it too many times. Talk a 14 y.o. into having a baby by her father. Where were they when that baby was born??? Nowhere. Did she get help?? Nope.
    I can only imagine a 14 y.o. trying to raise a baby she didn't want all by herself. In the long run - what happens to that child? Growing up unwanted. How is this better?

    Quote Originally Posted by hasahorse View Post
    I think if you are going to proclaim yourself as pro-life, then you better be for all areas. No more executions, no more death row, no more war, no more sending young men and women off to possibly be killed. If you are going to proclaim pro-life, then you better be willing to pony up to get that kid to adulthood.

    Instead, I see just the opposite. They are really just pro-birth. Forget about them once they are on the ground.

    I, for one, would like to keep my choices. The current sway of the conservative right scares me that I may not always have a choice.


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    I have more than two close friends that have terminated and one of them countless times.

    I dont think it should be a right.
    So what you're saying is that you presume to choose for your friends, because you knew better than they do?

    I am not seeing the compassion that you believe that you have.
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    Let's get this thread back on track. It's about politicians who express uneducated, ignorant views and the other politicians who endorse them.

    http://www.kansascity.com/2012/10/29...-dont-get.html

    "Why do these men fumble so badly when discussing this most grim topic? Because they see no problem legislating a religious agenda. Usually, there’s no cost in doing so and plenty to gain -- until they wander into a minefield that makes their ignorance plain. These men don’t understand what it’s like to become pregnant from rape -- what it’s like for that to be a possibility -- and they betray no desire to become enlightened."


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    Quote Originally Posted by Anne FS View Post
    Let's get this thread back on track. It's about politicians who express uneducated, ignorant views and the other politicians who endorse them.

    http://www.kansascity.com/2012/10/29...-dont-get.html

    "Why do these men fumble so badly when discussing this most grim topic? Because they see no problem legislating a religious agenda. Usually, there’s no cost in doing so and plenty to gain -- until they wander into a minefield that makes their ignorance plain. These men don’t understand what it’s like to become pregnant from rape -- what it’s like for that to be a possibility -- and they betray no desire to become enlightened."
    They fumble because the vast majority of rape victims never come forward. The people who could put paid to their false arguments are too busy picking up their own lives or too shamed by the judgmental actions of others to come forward.

    I was 18 and a virgin when I was raped. My own mother still doesn't know. Hell, only 2 of my friends know. It was hell on earth. My religious upbringing made the guilt and shame nearly unbearable. My rapist is now a minister. I neither asked for it nor deserved it. I was lucky though in one way--my only "consequences" were emotional/psychological trauma. But the wait until I knew was utterly horrific as there was no way in hell I would have been welcomed home pregnant and unwed. I'd already been told that if "something happened" I'd get sent away to have the baby. I started college in 1997, not 1957.

    GotGait--((((hugs))))
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    I'm so sorry Jen.
    ((hugs)) back atcha.
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