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    I have the ability to seperate the innocent from the evil, as well as the lazy and selfish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NOMIOMI1 View Post
    I have the ability to seperate the innocent from the evil, as well as the lazy and selfish.
    Didn't know God posted on COTH.


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    Quote Originally Posted by War Admiral View Post
    I agree. I can easily see this happening. Reason? Women (on average) skew left, and b/c we are now 51% of the nation's population, we constitute a threat. IMO the right wing wants a one-party system and will pretty much stop at nothing in order to get it.
    Odd, I get the same attitude from the Left. The venom directed at any candidate, especially toward Repub women is astonishing.
    Consider all of the things said about Palin and her family, the vile names they have been called, the unfounded lawsuits. Basically any woman who doesn't toe the Democratic/Liberal line is vilified.

    Now back to the comments made by two different Repub congressmen. The comments are offensive and stupid. Two of our choices are to run them out of office or to educate the "gentlemen". My choice is to educate them and at the same time educate others. Plus as long as they are in office, we can keep an eye on them.

    As a returning Christian, I think what Mourdock was trying to say is we as humans have free will. Our daily choices are to follow His teachings or not. Rape is against His teachings, so the rapist chooses to go against God's will. Where it breaks down for me is how the woman, who is probably "walking the walk", becomes the victim. As said before, the woman has no control over the rapist's or incest perp's actions, she does control her life afterwards. Then there is the 2nd victim, which is the conceived child. In my opinion, this has to be addressed case-by-case.
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    So again it comes down to what the second after a woman is raped her will is just fully restored, it's all on her now to buck up lil camper, you've had your body violated, and been impregnated against your will by someone you never gave consent to but just suck it up and soldier on. WOW...


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    Well maybe you are right in one way. I am an advocate of the day after pill and there are doctors who do take care of you afterwards preventatively. I think there is recourse for the woman.

    But who stands up for the child and what happens to them?
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    Because it's not a child for one, and again how many unwanted children are you supporting at this moment. It's all well and good to waive the flag of "abortion is murder" if you aren't taking responsibility for the ones that are born to mothers who are forced to have them.


    If you have a big passel of kids at your house you are fostering and adopting then fine you can cry abortion is murder from the mountain tops and I'll say hey at least you back up what you say.

    If you're living alone or with your own kids you popped out well then your assertion becomes a bit less real doesn't it?

    I see plenty of people rally about the "unborn" but as soon as they are actually here and in need of quality parenting, well you can't be bothered.


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    It should be noted that since Roe v Wade, the majority of Supreme Court appointees have been by Republican presidents. There has been a lot of talk, but no serious attemptn ever to overturn Roe v Wade. With Romney, it will be no different. RvW is not going to go away anytime soon.


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    From another poster Vineyridge on the Political thread: (very well written btw)

    "I have to disagree that ROE v. Wade will not be overturned. In the first place it was saved last time by Sandra Day O'Conner in a 5-4 decision that generated a dissent from the Scalia court wing that invited reconsideration of the basic principles. On the grounds that privacy is not mentioned in the Constitution. Given the right case, it's very easy to believe that five members (all appointed by Republicans) would find no basis for the decision and overturn on those grounds.

    After all who ever thought that the Court would involve itself in state vote counting? Who ever thought that the Court would overturn the laws that permitted gun control by reversing decades of law based on the militia language? Or would reject campaign financing laws on first amendment rights of corporations and anonymous donors, when those laws had been in place for decades?

    Or would hold that the federal government could not use the stick to go with its carrot in the Affordable Health Care case, and would rewrite the federal government's Commerce Clause powers by implication--not to mention that four members would have completely rewritten Commerce Clause law that has been place since the 1930's?

    The Supreme Court has certainly been very, very activist in some very major ways recently because it has a significant number of judges who are ideologues and don't feel constrained by precedent."


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    Quote Originally Posted by darkmoonlady View Post
    So again it comes down to what the second after a woman is raped her will is just fully restored, it's all on her now to buck up lil camper, you've had your body violated, and been impregnated against your will by someone you never gave consent to but just suck it up and soldier on. WOW...
    Read what I said. Each woman should be treated as an individual. For some the morning after pill is right, others may wait and make a decision based on whether they are impregnated or not. Some are able to deal with it on their own, others with some therapy, others may be totally devastated and require extensive therapy.
    Our mistake is viewing all women as the same. A quick review of this board proves we woman are varied and wonderful.

    The female victim of rape or incest should never be shamed for 1) being chosen by the fiend and 2) choosing to abort or keep any resulting child.
    I said female victim, because I know males who were raped by foster fathers and the pain and shame they feel.

    As stated before, there is one resolution for a properly identified rapist or incest perp-a quick, simple death.
    "Never do anything that you have to explain twice to the paramedics."
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    Quote Originally Posted by fooler View Post
    Read what I said. Each woman should be treated as an individual. For some the morning after pill is right, others may wait and make a decision based on whether they are impregnated or not. Some are able to deal with it on their own, others with some therapy, others may be totally devastated and require extensive therapy.
    Our mistake is viewing all women as the same. A quick review of this board proves we woman are varied and wonderful.

    The female victim of rape or incest should never be shamed for 1) being chosen by the fiend and 2) choosing to abort or keep any resulting child.
    I said female victim, because I know males who were raped by foster fathers and the pain and shame they feel.

    As stated before, there is one resolution for a properly identified rapist or incest perp-a quick, simple death.
    Well said. I think if more people believed the way you did, we would be a lot better off. In the end, the only person who can make these decisions is the person affected. As for the rest of us, it's really none of our business.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hasahorse View Post
    I think if you are going to proclaim yourself as pro-life, then you better be for all areas.

    Instead, I see just the opposite. They are really just pro-birth. Forget about them once they are on the ground.
    Oh yes, the hipocrisy always astounds me. The sanctity of life apparently applies only in utero. Once you're born, you're on your own. Government so small it fits in your womb.
    You are what you dare.


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    Being a "victim" is a choice? Tell that to all my murder victims, male and female. None of them chose to die while being robbed or car-jacked, etc. And no woman chooses to be a victim of rape as no child chooses to be a victim of molestation. Some of you people need to get out of your houses and go to court and see the victims up close and personal.

    I ask this question of every person, male or female, who opposes abortion: How many children have you adopted? How many black babies, how many bi-racial babies, how many physically disabled babies, how many mentally disabled babies have you adopted? If you have adopted at least one of the foregoing, then you can speak out against abortion. Otherwise, get off of your ass and go volunteer to help the kids who have no homes and no one who loves them. Abortion is a "necessary evil" to prevent the births of unwanted children. I was shocked when at the democratic convention in Atlanta, Randall Terry, the rabid anti-abortion dude came and demonstrated (blocking the street as I tried to get to work) was found to be, gee, without any kid of his own or any adopted kid. He's telling women what they can or cannot do, and he's not helping out unwanted kids?

    BTW I've never had an abortion. I'm a big fan of birth control since mother was one of 8 kids, and daddy was one of 6 kids. But I have seen the abused kids, and the defendants who claimed to have been abused kids, all as victims and defendants in the judicial system. If anyone spent some time with kids, white and black, who have been abused, you'd not oppose abortion. Unless you have no empathy.

    Rape can happen to you or anyone in your family. You don't have to "ask" to be a victim to have a flat tyre and get abducted and raped. You don't have to be beautiful or sexy to get raped. You just have to be in your house or at your job and get raped there.


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    Quote Originally Posted by stolen virtue View Post
    I am so sick of the far right wackadoos. I cannot understand why the GOP have allowed these people to take over their party. There is no basis in reality to this post...I think it is sad.
    That's my point. If you vote Republican you ARE voting far right wackadoos.

    Hopefully the GOP will get back to being the party of Abraham Lincoln, but the only way that will happen is if people resoundingly vote against the current viewpoint. That is not happening, therefore all of us need to face the reality that no matter what the GOP WAS, it's not that anymore, and every vote you cast Republican reinforces that you support these views.


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    That GOP died a long time ago. Why do you think we have Romney/Ryan? They represent the worst aspects of what is now American Conservatism, which is focused on the Christianization and Commercialization of all aspects of American society and their government. You could put together better candidates from the Democratic Party or Independents than what the GOP has to offer these days.
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    I think that is the point though, those who report their rapes usually are given access to the morning after pill if it's legal in the state. If it isn't they then have to wait and find out if they are pregnant, then deal with that while still dealing with the aftermath of the rape. That is for those who report it, those who can't or do not report it, for whatever reason again still have to deal with the aftermath and then realizing their pregnant. Why is a case by case decision needed when it's her body that has been violated. Who would decide who deserves an abortion for rape more? Why is that even needed?

    That is what this whole thread has been about from the start, politicians who believe they know better for women; about reproduction, what they should have access too in way of health care (which abortion is only one aspect), about birth control, even about funding agencies that advocate for women.

    These politicians are saying things that lead a lot of us to believe they are so far removed from understanding a woman's body, health and other issues that we're left "aghasted". The comments about how "some women rape easier" or a woman can "shut that down" meaning not get pregnant from rape, to
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    Some of these same guys want to outlaw IVF as well, so think on that.
    You are what you dare.


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    I have the ability to seperate the innocent from the evil, as well as the lazy and selfish.
    I agree that you sound quite content to play god with this line of thought. Either life is sacred or it isn't. When one puts a convicted felon to death, it is absolutely, completely KILLING that person. The only difference is that you're justifying it differently due to your personal belief system, which strikes me as a bit hypocritical.

    I personally find it horrific to keep vilifying women as "selfish" because they made choices that you don't agree with. It's sanctimonious and it's crappy.

    I have met almost no one advocating "for" abortion. They are advocating trusting and respecting women enough to make that choice for themselves.
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    Don't 'cha just love it when insurance will pay for a guy's Viagra but won't cover your birth control? People scream about I don't want to have to pay for anyone's contraceptives! Well Mr. Man, I don't want to have pay for your stinking Viagra.
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    I dont think it is an easy choice, but it does not make it the right one.

    My comments about selfish and lazy were directed to the women talking about their career suffering or the cost of a child as being a good reason to "get rid" of it.

    But then again since that is the LARGEST portion of abortion reasons then I am speaking to a lot of women yes.

    Do you think it is empowering for a woman to get aid from the government or her "man" to get an abortion? Do you think this is a right in the same sense as equal rights in the work place?

    I see it as sad and enslaving yourself to something different altogether. Regret.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cloudyandcallie View Post
    Being a "victim" is a choice? Tell that to all my murder victims, male and female.
    Why, Cloudy!

    This thread could use a smile. There it is.
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