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    Quote Originally Posted by NOMIOMI1 View Post
    I know far too many rape victims that dont associate themselves with the "poor me" type woman. I know so many "poor me" women who havnt had anything really even go wrong in their lives who advocate abortion and encourage people to use it in their own lives.

    That is terrible.

    There are a couple of postings about how being pregnant was expensive and cost their career to suffer.

    Those are the top reasons for abortion statistically.

    Like I said, selfish.
    You just divided rape victims into 2 groups. The ones who willingly bear & raise the rapist's child (God bless them) and the others you all lump into the "poor me type woman." Well, WTH does that mean? What a horrible thing to say. You then imply that these women "havnt [sic] had anything really even go wrong in their lives." Again, go start your abortion thread.

    People, can't you see that NOMIOMI1 deliberately hijacked this thread to divert the topic to the abortion issue and to steer it away from the Mourdock/Romney/Akin/Limbaugh/Gov. Walker/Tom Smith Republican party policies towards women?


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    Quote Originally Posted by NOMIOMI1 View Post
    50 million plus? We obviously are way beyond discussing health issues being a main concern.
    There are not 50 million plus late term abortions. You're confusing two issues here, which isn't particularly surprising. Late term abortions are extremely regulated and exceedingly rare. First trimester abortions are legal and should be widely available. If you're going to choose to end a pregnancy for any reason, the first trimester is when you should choose to do so. No justification to the slut-shamers required.

    The questions you are asking have long been the foothold of every abortion argument for this country.

    For that reason alone I wont even play a game of "What if?"
    Do these questions have no value? It's funny how you can hate and shame people, but are unable to answer simple questions.

    What if we gave unborn children the same protection we give the lowest form of life here in our country?
    Scientifically, the lowest form of life is a cell, right? I don't think most single-celled organisms have much protection.

    Or are we talking like animals? Because that argument really doesn't work either...

    What if we accept that to you, life might begin at conception, but to others, it doesn't begin until later. How about if you don't have an abortion? And those that feel the need to have one, have safe access?

    Is it really so difficult to respect your fellow humans? (And I mean actual humans, not potential ones)
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    Quote Originally Posted by bluemooncowgirl View Post
    For what it is worth, I agree with you NOMIOMI1.
    Many do but its a topic people fear discussing for good reason too lol

    Personally I would like to see women gain strength from being a household warrior as well as one on the career path.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NOMIOMI1 View Post
    This thread is sickening. 55 million children destroyed from the 1970's till now is not about rape.

    All of these women screaming about women's rights, and all of the while not a peep about the rights of the child. Look at yourself in the mirror and say to yourself, "This is not about me. It is not all about me."



    There is too much proof that its not just a blob of tissue, but the rights of the mother are more important than the one pending a decision, huh?

    Women's rights, but none of these children are ever possibly women, right?

    Oh, I know, how dare I humanize a... human?

    Threads like this show that "women" are as selfish as it can get, and "rights" are only for those who can argue for them.
    I am so sick of the far right wackadoos. I cannot understand why the GOP have allowed these people to take over their party. There is no basis in reality to this post...I think it is sad.


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    Quote Originally Posted by NOMIOMI1 View Post
    If you are willing to go out of state I have actually known women to abort over 6 months, yes.

    Even ONCE is a travesty.
    I don't think you'll find many who will argue that this isn't tragic and should be avoided at all costs. But your convolution of several different issues in an effort to legislate your beliefs is pretty disgusting too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoonoverMississippi View Post
    Then why are there still children waiting to be adopted in this country?
    Because people are told/encouraged to go outside of the US adoption system or they view the bulk of American children that are up for adoption as trash. I live in an area with A LOT of Catholics and they love adopting babies. Unfortunately, many of those in the "waiting to be adopted" category are either not babies and have been through foster care or minority babies who were forcibly removed from their families due to criminal/legal/abuse situations. Those kids never get a fair shot and some couples go on to get three or four adopted kids from foreign sources. The beat goes on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NOMIOMI1 View Post

    Women's rights, but none of these children are ever possibly women, right?

    Oh, I know, how dare I humanize a... human?

    Threads like this show that "women" are as selfish as it can get, and "rights" are only for those who can argue for them.

    That tiny blob of cells MIGHT make it to term. (Based on our best guess, it's got an 80% chance).

    If we follow the reasoning of the "pro-lifers", the instant that blastocyst implants into the wall of the uterus, a woman ceases to become a living, breathing thinking, feeling person, and instead is classified as an incubator.

    So by all means, let's take away her right for self-determination on the chance that she'll produce some hypothetical perfect innocent child. Because everyone is stepping up to make sure all these kids are going to have perfect, happy lives, right????


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    Quote Originally Posted by NOMIOMI1 View Post
    Many do but its a topic people fear discussing for good reason too lol

    Personally I would like to see women gain strength from being a household warrior as well as one on the career path.

    The best kind of human is one who does something for those who cannot do for themselves.
    Yes, you are 100% correct in your assessment that this is a feared topic of discussion. But I will take a stand, even at the risk of my user name being shunned.

    Abortion is murder under ALL circumstances. Killing another human at any stage of life is murder. I will not sugar-coat it for anyone, for any reason.

    With that being said, I have stated my thoughts and opinions and I have asked NO ONE to agree with me or support their thoughts and opinions, so I will not entertain any "what if" scenarios for you to be able to feel better about your stance. And I use "you" in general terms.

    Carry on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stolen virtue View Post
    I am so sick of the far right wackadoos. I cannot understand why the GOP have allowed these people to take over their party.
    Here, here. But the answer is easy: Votes. Pander to them and they'll vote for you and there are a bunch of them. I now understand why Margaret Atwood wrote The Handmaid's Tale. It's very cautionary about what voting for the Republican party might get you, if you're female and not careful how you vote.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bluemooncowgirl View Post

    Abortion is murder under ALL circumstances. Killing another human at any stage of life is murder. I will not sugar-coat it for anyone, for any reason.
    You are certainly entitled to your OPINION, but I detest people who want to foist their opinions and beliefs onto everyone else. Just because YOU might not choose to have one, you have NO RIGHT to dictate that I have do not have the right to choose one should I wish to. My body; my decision. Don't want one; don't have one.

    BTW, just for the record, I have had an abortion and I have adopted too.
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    It does make a person wonder what could someone gain by not only supporting but advocating such a thing.

    It is your right to vote for it. Justifying it is another story. That wont work on me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FatCatFarm View Post
    You are certainly entitled to your OPINION, but I detest people who want to foist their opinions and beliefs onto everyone else. Just because YOU might not choose to have one, you have NO RIGHT to dictate that I have do not have the right to choose one should I wish to. My body; my decision. Don't want one; don't have one.
    Where did I say you MUST agree with me? Can you point that out? I have not dictated anything to anyone. I merely posted my POV.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NOMIOMI1 View Post
    It does make a person wonder what could someone gain by not only supporting but advocating such a thing.

    It is your right to vote for it. Justifying it is another story. That wont work on me.
    Nobody advocates for abortion. We just support the right of women to make that decision for themselves.

    Typical right-wing rhetoric - the lefties, they want to murder all your babiez! They hatez the babiez! They eat them with ketchup! And don't you try to convince me otherwise! You are the Satan, Mittens told me so!
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    I have a very bad feeling that if Mitt gains office, his mysogynistic cronies will encourage him to repeal the 19th amenment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluemooncowgirl View Post
    Abortion is murder under ALL circumstances. Killing another human at any stage of life is murder. I will not sugar-coat it for anyone, for any reason.


    Carry on.
    VERY pro-choice here, but I will say that I respect your position more than those who proclaim "all abortion is murder...oh, except in certain cases", in which case they are happy to play god and proclaim it's okay.

    That said, all I ask is that you respect my position the same as you want others to respect yours.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 5 View Post
    I have a very bad feeling that if Mitt gains office, his mysogynistic cronies will encourage him to repeal the 19th amendment.

    No vote, no choice, no rights, no hope.
    I agree. I can easily see this happening. Reason? Women (on average) skew left, and b/c we are now 51% of the nation's population, we constitute a threat. IMO the right wing wants a one-party system and will pretty much stop at nothing in order to get it.
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    I think if you are going to proclaim yourself as pro-life, then you better be for all areas. No more executions, no more death row, no more war, no more sending young men and women off to possibly be killed. If you are going to proclaim pro-life, then you better be willing to pony up to get that kid to adulthood.

    Instead, I see just the opposite. They are really just pro-birth. Forget about them once they are on the ground.

    I, for one, would like to keep my choices. The current sway of the conservative right scares me that I may not always have a choice.
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    Hmm okay so it's gods will if a woman is raped and therefore she should have the child. However God kills more "potential" babies than all abortion combined because the percentage of fertilized eggs that make to full term is actually fairly low.

    So god can willingly end a pregnancy, and you're okay with that, but a woman can't (from rape or otherwise?).

    This is the thing that irks me to no end is women who are anti choice and religiously fervent enough to try to destroy the rights of other women.

    I remember reading the Handmaid's Tale and thinking the Serena Joy's character was the saddest of all in that she'd openly and strongly worked to completely disenfranchise women including herself. You think you're defending all these poor "murdered" babies, when in fact the bible has very little value for that "life". If a woman is caused to lose her pregnancy you are to give her five sheckles for the insult. In biblical times they didn't name their infants until a month into the life of the baby because you didn't waste a good name on something that had a slim chance of survival. I'm always a little confused by those who claim righteous disgust at abortion but don't really take the time to read what their religion ACTUALLY has to say about it. Abortion was not considered anything bad until the late 1860's when there was a worry that whites would be out populated by non whites. http://www.theatlantic.com/past/docs...y/abortion.htm

    In the end what it comes down to is do women have the right to control their reproduction, their bodies and their lives. It seems that some Republicans do not feel women under any circumstances deserve the right to choose for themselves whether or not they should have to carry a baby if they do not want to. A woman, especially a rape survivor has had her choice already taken away by an attacker, by being brutalized in the worst way, only to have these men, say well despite that, you have to have your choice taken away again.


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    That is pretty crazy lol. We are already in a place were people cannot seperate issues.

    So to save a baby I must save a convicted murderer?

    So logical.
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    If you are pro-life, then yes. Either all life is sacred or it isn't. I don't see it as a cafeteria plan where you get to pick and choose what you want.
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