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  1. #1
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    Default bloodline / pedigree info wanted

    I am curious about what this pedigree "says" to anyone who knows QH's. This mare is a tough lil cookie, strong and sensitive at the same time , as well as athletic. She has a forever home with me but I would love to know more about her. From the few pics I have found of her sire-line, she looks a good deal like them. Couldn't find as much about the dam-line.

    So, what would likely have been her intended purpose?

    Anybody know what traits are likely to have been heritable?

    I do not plan on breeding her, just kinda wanna know more

    TIA!!!

    http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/gold+n+dunsmoke



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    Not a lot of familiar names, except for Majestic Dell. He was a top Fla stallion for many years and he had tons and tons of performance babies that did well in the QH shows. Smokey Duster Too was a good performance sire as well, the others are just too far back

    I did notice Blackburn who my QH was related to, but don't know anything about him.



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    The top lines are mostly show horses, many of them in the Midwest.
    Nice all around horses, nice to handle, stayed sound, not that athletic, but they didn't need to be.

    The bottom is foundation type, many of those lines were used locally and also were good working horses, nothing that really was specialized, but general all around.
    Blackburn was our neighbor's stallion and crossed well on most any mares, although some offspring had a bit more watchy disposition than others, without being right down rank.

    The past two or three decades, the AQHA has polarized more into specialists that are extremely athletic and talented for their task, a bit harder to handle and keep sound.
    Those more modern lines lost some substance, height and good, easy going minds.
    There are trade-offs in life to so much, some traits can be antagonistic.
    Then, who doesn't want to breed for the best at their discipline, if it takes accepting extremes?

    When a horse is true to their breeding, as their conformation and performance can show us, we assume they have inherited all we wanted when we crossed those parents.
    That doesn't always happens.
    No matter how a horse is bred, there is still that gene lottery at work.
    We don't know just by the pedigree what we have in any one horse until we see what we have in person.

    Some pictures would help.



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    Here are a few pics.


    14.1 hh. This is the only confo pic I have just now, she actually is high behind and has the shortest cannon bones in front I have ever seen....

    She had a good, brave jump.

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/82853581@N04/



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    If that grey is 14.1 hands and the horse in the pedigree, she took after the top lines, other than in size, they were more a good 15 hands and up.
    We stood for a client a son of Eternal Sun that was a nice, big stallion that had shown well in MO.



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    Thanks Bluey! All very interesting to me. She measures a bit under 14.1 at the withers but is prob 14.3 at the hip I would love a 16 h version of her !!

    Re soundness, she is eventing barefooted .
    Re managability, she is very well mannered, but also a pure alpha mare. She is tough as nails and can be very hard on other horses she is turned out with.
    Quite an interesting creature and I did not expect her to jump as well as she does , based on her confo. It was a nice surprise. The canter leaves alot to be desire tho' I don't mind it. She is opinionated about her tack and comfort and if she doesn't like a saddle you will know it within minutes, lol...

    Is foundation bred what some might call ranch bred?



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    What Bluey said. Judging from just looking at her at a standstill, I wouldn't have guessed she could go over a jump like that. :-) I recognize Eternal Sun and Sir Barton but have pretty much forgotten whatever it was I knew about them, back in the day! Still, a nice mare! Erm, are you sure she sticks at 14.1? Looks a bit taller to me. Heh...
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    LOL, I know she looks taller to me too! I am only 5'2 for reference. and i have sticked her myself several times just to be sure



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    Hearts Journey, when you mention Smokey Duster Too was a performance sire, does that mean any sport in particular, or just sire of athletes? Thanks!!



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    You do know to click on the top bar on the i in the white circle and on the little bitty horse icon to see pictures of the horses in the pedigree?

    http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/smokey+duster+too

    There you can see what that one horse has done and where some of her conformation may come from.

    We had a son of Oklahoma Star for a ranch stallion and he was wonderful.
    His colts were born broke and made excellent ranch horses that anyone could get along with.
    Those horses on the top were what was bred for 30 years ago and what was winning in shows.

    Today, so many are using hugely muscled halter horses, or weedy stilted looking western pleasure horses, or very small, lightboned and extremely quick cutting type horses.
    Somewhere in-between all that you still find the old type good horse that you could do anything with, ranch, rope in the arena, just trail ride, if not be world beaters against today's specialists.

    I expect your horse was bred by some old show people that were not showing any more, or maybe someone with old type ranch mares bred to their show type neighbor's stallion.
    Just a pure guess, not knowing what area your horse came from.

    As far as breeding goes, it is nice all around, not inbred, not aiming for any one discipline, but sound, good horses that you can aim for anything and do good at the lower levels, occasionally get a top horse if everything crossed right and the training brought it out.

    That is what is fun with breeding, you do what you think will work for your goals.
    I can't tell what the breeder wanted with that cross.
    Ever thought of asking them?



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    Some nice old bloodlines way back. I think you'd learn a lot about the pedigree by getting the book about Hank Weiscamp's breeding program. Sir Barton goes through that breeding program as does Smokey Duster Too. I like Smokey Duster Too's breeding with the Star Duster - Nowata Star - Oklahoma Star horses (my gelding has that on his bottom side though his reining dam). I see Brush Mount, Yellow Jacket, Poco Bueno (carries that Heppa? skin condition gene and King. You could also find a lot of these horses in the Western Horseman book on great QH's.



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    I was referring that his get were athletic all around horses, ranch work types - cutting, reining, roping, etc which I find much more preferable to halter type horses



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    Bluey, thank you for the info. I have considered contacting the breeder just see see what their 'plan' was, lol. I got her from a local, low quality auction so don't know her history. I think it might be fun to find out, she is such a lil dynamo!

    Coyoteco, thank you too, I will have to look into the book you mentioned

    Hearts Journey - makes sense, thanks!



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