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  1. #601
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    Your response came after the 2 weeks, but for an update on what happened since then and why I didn't use that farrier...

    The "junior" farrier that pulled my horse's shoes just went to farrier school last summer, and last fall messed up her own horse so bad that he abcessed several times. Even SHE knows she is not equipped to handle a problem of this magnitude. ....and since the initial 2 days, he became foot sore, and his condition deteriorated rapidly. For the rest of the story, see my post above yours.

    Suffice to say, the other farrier was worth the wait - my horse has NEVER looked better...



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    Inspired, I was just curious as to where you live....my farrier does Natural Balance trims, and if you live in my area, I would highly recommend him. I live in Northwestern Pennsylvania, and he also travels to the Buffalo, Cleveland and Pittsburgh areas, as far as I know.



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    Hi this is the post I posted about a week ago. She is due to get reshod this week. She really seems short in front. Any ideas? Thanks!
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    Hello, I posted a while ago about my horse (Dutch WB) having high knee action. My trainer feels that her gaits could be improved by using a different farrier who specializes in dressage horses. When I first purchased this horse in September, she had platter feet. She has only been shoed a handful of time over the winter, and only in the front. She is three, is there a big chance that she will out grow this type of movement? It’s very accentuated. Its not horrible, but as my trainer put it she needs to be freer in the shoulder. She moves more up and down than springy and sweepy. Thanks



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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bensmom:


    My farrier says the opposite -- that a flare proves that that is the high side, since it is striking the ground first and flaring out to try to compensate for being too high.

    So, you see, we've got a basic disagreement as to what we see and what it means. Just to recap -- this is both of Ben's hind feet and I believe that both the photos and the x-rays show high inside/low outside.

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    Thought I should post an update on the farrier disagreement issue. (I just know you all were waiting breathlessly for this!)

    After chatting with the farrier group at Foxhall and getting them to review my radiographs and photos when they had a slow moment, I was able to come home and report that a Famous Farrier that my guy had read articles by, had agreed that Ben was high on the inside.

    Astonishing what a difference that made! And then, last Friday, he stands behind Ben and says "ok, so in the back he's clearly high on the inside."

    I did not scream, I did not beat my head on the wall, I did not say "gee, are you now going to reimburse me for the set of radiographs I shot extra to check it after you argued with both me and the vet?!!" I just smiled sweetly and asked how he came to that conclusion.

    He said, as if it were the most obvious thing in the world "well, you can SEE it."

    Arrgghhhh!!! I've been saying this for three months -- the vet has said it as well. The vet and I have been going nuts trying to figure out if he sees something we don't, but no, we were right all along and now the farrier is on board as well.

    Thank goodness! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_c...on_biggrin.gif Finally!

    So, now I just have to hope we can keep it this way! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_c...on_biggrin.gif

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    Ohhhh Bensmom, you must be sooo happy http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_c...on_biggrin.gif

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    ok you guys-I remember when this thread was small, and it got away from me. I lost my scanning abilities and was bummed I couldn't play.

    Now that it's at 31 pages! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_c...s/icon_eek.gif I am joining the party late---like those of you on page 6 saying that!LOL

    Ok, so I am going to get the digital camera out tomorrow and take photos of Will's feet before the farrier comes. That was you can see what his feet look like and then maybe give me some concrete ideas on how we should "raise his heels" like he requested of the animal communicator http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_c...icon_smile.gif--anything to make his back and hips feel better.

    I apoogize for only getting to pg 11--you all were busy there for awhile! I'll finish reading it later-so far I think he has decent feet looking at the photos to compare, but will be back her hopefully tomorrow...Martha or Libby I may have to email you the photos as I am not a premium member and I have no idea how to post multiple photos on one page. Thanks.....be back soon!

    I can't believe this thread got so big-I am glad it did. THIS is what this bb is all about http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_c...on_biggrin.gif

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    Bensmom, Ya make me smile. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_c...on_biggrin.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_c.../icon_cool.gif
    Gotta give big time credit for helpin your farrier through this spot.
    I bet ya a latte that this works out big time for ya.
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    John -- you made my night! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_c...on_biggrin.gif The Little Monster got reset this afternoon, and he was great, the farrier was happy, and he hung around to fix a couple of nails we weren't happy with and gave me a backrub before he left to boot -- made me really glad I didn't beat my head against the wall literally on Friday when he did Ben http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_c.../icon_wink.gif

    And Aimee, I'm glad that all this stuff is actually helpful to others -- I have learned an amazing about here and am so grateful that folks are so willing to share their knowledge. At the moment, as my Paypal account seems to be on strike and I haven't mailed a check off yet, I can't post pics either, but I'll see if I have the shoe photos on this machine and I've got your e-mail address -- I'll send 'em on.

    Thanks guys!

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    I also need to report that the Rhodes man is now on his second reset/shoeing with a shorter toe and has had his heels cut off in an effort to correct their underrun growth pattern. His feet are really looking great. I will clean them up and post some photos this weekend.

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    *sigh* It seems like just yesterday SLB and I were wondering what would happen when this post hit the big 10K views..... would the board disintegrate? Would it be able to turn over to 5 digits without a numerical disaster?

    And just look at it now! 18K+ ! I'm shocked and amazed and oh-so-proud. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_c...on_biggrin.gif

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    Okay, I'm gonna add my picts to this and bump it back to the top http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_c...icon_smile.gif. Please comment, especially if you can tell me what those ridges are on his back hooves. They have appeared at two separate times over the winter, both after sun dried everything out and then a sudden deluge brought back tons of mud and muck. They started at the coronary band, feeling like little rubbery cuticles and then grew down into ridges. He has not been unsound because of them.

    This is about halfway through these shoes and I think his feet normally look better than this.

    Also, please ignore the little bit of yuck in his feet. I did full set in the crossties but he was freaking out at the flash. I turned it off and the picts didn't turn out so back out for another try by the pasture with no hoofpick...oops!

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    Bump.

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    I'll take a quick stab, but I think you'll want to wait for someone else that actually knows...

    At a glance, they look pretty good. The right front looks like it could have a flare, but it's a bit hard to tell from the picture. The hinds look like there's a bit of a wave in the cornary band, but I'm not sure if that's an illusion of the hair-line. The heel looks like it needs to come back a bit, although it's hard to tell with the shoes on. The angle looks about right. I don't know anything about ridges, etc...

    We've certainly seen worse on this thread! ...but really, be patient, and someone who actually IS in the know will respond. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_c...icon_smile.gif



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    Cripes! I'm offline for 6 weeks while moving and I come back to find this thread still going! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_c...s/icon_eek.gif

    So the natural trimmer guy here has done my girl once already. For the first time in a long time I am happy with how she's been trimmed. He feels very confident that the clubby foot will be fine and that I should get the surgery idea out of my head. I am getting that foot x-rayed - hopefully I can get the vet to do that before her trim next week.

    The other big plus, she gets much more turnout here. At the other place she would get 5 hours max. Here she gets 15 hours http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_c...on_biggrin.gif Her feet have already spread out a LOT!

    What a huge relief!!! I will post photos again after she gets trimmed a couple more times. I'm sure this thread will still be here! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_c.../icon_wink.gif



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    I never got the photos, but wanted to let you know the forging has improved-I do think it has to do with his back end moving more freely. He gets his "muled" heels on the back today or tomorrow.

    will take photos then (he may not like the flash either!)

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    Hi Rugbug,

    Again..not an expert opinion, but these definitely look much better than an average shoeing job. The lines on the horses hoofs are stress lines..likely nutritional...or disease related. They could be related to shoeing and hoof moisture content but the other reasons are more likely.

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    HI.

    Rugbug - I like the feet overall. I am obsessed with underrun heels, and I see little evidence of that - I guess they could be more perfect, I didn't draw on them, but they look pretty darn decent.

    Java has those ridgey bumps too. His aren't quite as pronounced, but they're obvious enough. He has them in front.

    I have been really wondering what the heck they are. I was expecting them to go away with new shoeing, improved soundness through medication.... nope. Fairweather once asked if he had foundered in the past because she saw those ridges. Nope, he hasn't. Or if he did, he didn't rotate.

    I would agree with Riverdale's assessment that it's due to nutrition or disease... but Java is pretty freaking healthy. He is an easy keeper. He gets good quality hay and good pelleted feed. He is on MSM, Flax, Vit. E/Selenium, and sunnies, of course. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_c...icon_smile.gif He is super shiny, plump, and his personality has been stellar for months. I don't buy that he has a deficiency or disease.

    But obviously it's SOMETHING..... hmm.... the ridges have been present for at least 2 years. He has only been on additional supplements above for 1 year or less. The ridges are still coming down...his new more balanced and correct shoeing has been underway for 6 months.

    So I'm curious about the ridges! Keep offering detailed suggestions.

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by mcmIV:
    HI.

    Rugbug - I like the feet overall. I am obsessed with underrun heels, and I see little evidence of that - I guess they could be more perfect, I didn't draw on them, but they look pretty darn decent.

    Java has those ridgey bumps too. His aren't quite as pronounced, but they're obvious enough. He has them in front.

    I have been really wondering what the heck they are. I was expecting them to go away with new shoeing, improved soundness through medication.... nope. Fairweather once asked if he had foundered in the past because she saw those ridges. Nope, he hasn't. Or if he did, he didn't rotate.

    I would agree with Riverdale's assessment that it's due to nutrition or disease... but Java is pretty freaking healthy. He is an easy keeper. He gets good quality hay and good pelleted feed. He is on MSM, Flax, Vit. E/Selenium, and sunnies, of course. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_c...icon_smile.gif He is super shiny, plump, and his personality has been stellar for months. I don't buy that he has a deficiency or disease.

    But obviously it's SOMETHING..... hmm.... the ridges have been present for at least 2 years. He has only been on additional supplements above for 1 year or less. The ridges are still coming down...his new more balanced and correct shoeing has been underway for 6 months.

    So I'm curious about the ridges! Keep offering detailed suggestions.

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    Rooster's feet normally look a little better. I thought his heels were slightly underrun, but wanted to see what everone else would say. His owner is always telling me how good his feet are, but I think that's only because she's parroting the farrier and not from real foot knowledge. I started reading this thread to see what good feet really looked liked (I've learned sooooo much!), and after 31 pages, I think his measure up admirably, but that there is a little room for improvement. Doing something about it is a different story. Can't really ask for changes when I only half lease him. At least they're pretty darn good anyway. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_c...icon_smile.gif

    As for the ridges, both times they appeared after rain turned everything muddy. I tend to think it's more due to the weather than diet/nutrition. He's been getting the same supps for at least two years, and this is the first sign of the ridges. (he gets MSM, Biotin, Platinum Performance, and sunnies along with his Purina Senior...and alfalfa in the am, oat hay in the pm). They are slowly growing out and hopefully thing will stay dry enough so a new set doesn't show up. I keep playing with the idea of using Corona on his feet, but haven't yet.

    Anyway, I reference Java when someone says underrun TB heels can't be fixed. His look soooo much better than when you started.
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    Yea - they look even better now i think! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_c...icon_smile.gif

    take your pictures and draw lines all over em! show em to the owner... BINGO - PROOF!
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    RugBug...
    Those feet don't look too bad http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_c...icon_smile.gif
    I would say overall that there might be a little underrun heel, the toe is a little long...look back over the posts about addressing breakover and placing the point of breakover just in front of the coffin bone and not at the end of the toe.

    Also, check out the line of the hoof wall from top to bottom when viewed from the front. The sides look like they want to dish a little as they get to to bottom...just a little flare starting...this could be from an over grown hoof that needs trimming.

    When the shoes are off, check to see if there is any white line seperation/stretching...this is a good indication of where the hoof wall is creating excess pressure from a toe that is too long or a flare (same thing).

    And the lines....those pesky lines....where do they come from? That's the question of the week...

    Those are typically refered to as stress, fever, or founder rings. They can be caused by any number of things: stress, changes in management, illness, changes in weather (ground too wet/dry), nutritional needs/excesses. Often they are seen after a winter that causes rapid changes in the ground. What you see half way down the foot was created from changes that took place 3-6 months ago. They are typically not something to worry about. They will grow out and you can always hope that your horse's life is so serene and unchanging that they never come back...LOL http://chronicleforums.com/images/cu...milies/lol.gif

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