For those that remember the 2 cats from Elk Creek Ranch Butterfly and Firefly they now live at my farm near ECR and both have recently been to my vet. Firefly had a serious lung infection and required time at my house with antibiotics. I took her to the emergency vet and then my vet and after weeks in my house getting antibiotics I took her back to my vet where she got a clean bill of health and got rabies shot and is now back at my farm. Then I noticed Butterfly (deaf grey cat who rode the tractor) had sensitive ears and would shake her head and I heard fluid shake. I got her to the vet and he found a growth in her ears probably causing her deafness and infection. Her ears were operated on Tuesday, April 28, 2015 with the promise of hearing for the first time since I've had her.
About a year ago perhaps Elk Creek Ranch was sold to someone who wants to keep open space in our township. Gill didn't get his million + $$$ that he was asking, less than a million. I went there and there were no horses at all, just a donkey and a couple of goats. I'd love to know what he's doing with the property, mine backs up to it.
Mike Gill is like Henry Hill.....even better yet, Nicky Barnes or Frank Lucas.
Gill was everything bad about the industry and then some. But when they no longer allowed him to play the game, he plays victim and starts naming names about what this person is doing or that person is doing.......some truth and some fictional(just to get even)
Ok, folks, I've agressively skimmed this thread. Can you please tell me what program training is? Thank you! (Not a racetrack girl, can you tell? But I've loved a lot of OTTBs - does that count?)
Certainly that counts!
Program training is when a licensed trainer allows his or her name to be used for an entry of a horse they're not really training.
This type of falsification is most often done for benefit of people who are either ruled off, too stupid to pass their trainers test or some other such reason. (Great example being Richard Dutrow's girlfriend getting her trainer's license as soon as he lost his or Burton Sipp's string all running in his wife's name as they did for years)
Tracks run on the up and up won't put up with it but it can be a tough thing to catch or prove when everybody lies for each other.
Places that are corrupt to the core like Penn National pay lip service to not allowing it but tend to encourage it with a wink and a nod. Pennsylvania HBPA also tends to encourage it by providing medical insurance based on # of starts. This ensures a plentiful amount of people willing to do it just to get their coverage. Worst part of it is it makes a mockery of rulings and impossible to rid the sport of undesireables.
Last edited by Profidia; Jun. 28, 2015 at 08:33 AM.
"I am going to have horse racing as my business, and my hobby will be punishing each and every one of you pinheads, so happy blogging you have my attention"
When I was young, I loved racing. I totally, unknowingly, turned on the tv and watched Ruffian break her leg. Many years later, I jumped on the uneducated "racing is evil" bandwagon - although never, ever, EVER PETA-level.
Then I became friends with someone who grew up on the track, and worked on the track, and loves horses with all her heart. My mind opened, and I looked around me. I had already been disgusted beyond description by the horse murders in the hunter jumper world. I was disgusted by a woman who worked with Paul Valliere, one of the big names in that scandal. She quit working for him right before the story broke, and I thought she was honorable and ethical. Nope. She did it so she could take his students to the shows - the H/J world's answer to program training.
I also was with a show barn for many, many years where the horses got one hour of turn-out a day, including "travel time" - changing boots and blankets. And I was judging the track? One of my biggest objections was when I learned that they don't get turned out while they are on the track. So no turn out, and lots of attention, or 1 hour of turn out, with a lot less attention than racehorses get? What's the big difference? Oh yeah, and if they started to run in turn-out, they were brought in.
Thank God for my ability to change my mind, to open my mind.
The people who are being discussed on this thread are despicable. The people involved in the horse murders are despicable, and I will always wonder about the second wave of arrests that never ended up happening - who were they? Did I know any of them?
Racing is not evil. The hunter/jumper circuit is not evil. There are some nasty, nasty people involved in all the horses sports, and I give my deepest, heart felt thanks to those who help to bring those people to light.
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Reason: basic proofreading
"Personally I wouldn't ride at a barn that cared. The best barns care about great riding and horse care." - Justa Bob