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    Default Eclipse Finalists Announced!

    Eclipsed finalists announced!

    HOY: California Chrome, Bayern, Main Sequence



    No shared belief?!?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeucesWild11 View Post
    Eclipsed finalists announced!

    HOY: California Chrome, Bayern, Main Sequence



    No shared belief?!?!
    Uh, no. The only time he ran against any of the main contenders, bumped or not, he lost to both of them. He hasn't raced outside California or, except the Classic, against top company.

    Chrome ought to get it (best overall results and two surfaces), Bayern won't (too many people rightfully upset at his rough run in the Classic). But Main Sequence may sneak out a win because while he only raced four times and on one surface (not a challenging or risky campaign) he's undefeated and they're all G1s incuding the BC Turf. Old-timers are still in a snit about Chrome's owners, a lot of people don't like how Bayern won the classic, and again, hard to argue against four Grade 1 wins.



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    I'd love to see Main Sequence get it, but I'm sure they'll give it to Chrome.

    He is a nice horse, but I don't know how you can erase three consecutive losses, including two against the same horse, for HOTY. And, to me, the Hollywood Derby was not against much of a field. I commend them for trying him on turf, but I do not think that warrants HOTY. Just my opinion, and I'd be shocked if they don't give him HOTY.

    Nice horse, but not the immortal that some proclaim him to be.


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    I'd like to see it go to Main Sequence. I think he is the better horse of the three candidates and I think he had the best campaign of all of them. Bayern is known for his inconsistency, had issues with impeding others in three of his races this year, and is arguably a one dimensional racehorse. California Chrome lost to the same horse twice; when that horse is a fellow HOY contender, you can't give him the title over that horse.


    I am a little biased since I really admire Main Seqeunce's connections.

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    Untapable was robbed. She should have gotten a nod.

    Although I'm a little biased towards Main Sequence as well. One of the first barns I ever worked for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Angelico View Post
    I'd like to see it go to Main Sequence. I think he is the better horse of the three candidates and I think he had the best campaign of all of them. Bayern is known for his inconsistency, had issues with impeding others in three of his races this year, and is arguably a one dimensional racehorse. California Chrome lost to the same horse twice; when that horse is a fellow HOY contender, you can't give him the title over that horse.


    I am a little biased since I really admire Main Seqeunce's connections.
    See, I'd have to vote for Chrome because to me the Derby, Preakness, races leading up to them, and switching surfaces plus the tight 3rd in the Classic and a win after the BC on a new surface easily trumps Bayern's campaign (Chrome's losses were all reasonable-stepped on, long layoff, and within a head from the far outside/longer path behind two horses who bumped and clipped opponents to stay in front, Bayern either wins his way or tanks completely) and I'd have to give him the nod over Main Sequence because I just can't consider four races in one year a 'campaign.' Sorry, that's not acceptable for a quality horse. Wise Dan has an excuse (colic surgery), Shared Belief did for the beginning of the year (bad foot), Main Sequence doesn't. If the horse is so fragile that's all he can do, it doesn't really matter to me they were G1s on turf. If any of them had been Group 1 overseas that would count more because of the travel (but in fact he hasn't won even at weight for age since 2012 in the UK.)


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    Quote Originally Posted by danceronice View Post
    See, I'd have to vote for Chrome because to me the Derby, Preakness, races leading up to them, and switching surfaces plus the tight 3rd in the Classic and a win after the BC on a new surface easily trumps Bayern's campaign (Chrome's losses were all reasonable-stepped on, long layoff, and within a head from the far outside/longer path behind two horses who bumped and clipped opponents to stay in front, Bayern either wins his way or tanks completely) and I'd have to give him the nod over Main Sequence because I just can't consider four races in one year a 'campaign.' Sorry, that's not acceptable for a quality horse. Wise Dan has an excuse (colic surgery), Shared Belief did for the beginning of the year (bad foot), Main Sequence doesn't. If the horse is so fragile that's all he can do, it doesn't really matter to me they were G1s on turf. If any of them had been Group 1 overseas that would count more because of the travel (but in fact he hasn't won even at weight for age since 2012 in the UK.)
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    That's exactly why I don't like Main Sequence.



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    With all due respect, it drives me batty how many excuses are made for Chrome's losses, while another horse can lose by a whisker and it is a "loss." Such a double standard.

    And, while my opinion is not a popular one, I do not believe he was going to win the Belmont that day. Tonalist is a Belmont specialist and bred for distance. And, GREAT horses will win, no matter what (like War Admiral in the Belmont, where he had a much more serious injury and still won and set a track record in the process).

    I think Chrome is a very nice horse and wish him the best, but the fanaticism and constant excuses that surround him make me shake my head.
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    It amazes me that they can name candidates for Horse of the Year before they are actually named champions. If Shared Belief and Wise Dan get the Eclipse awards, will they still name one of the others HOTY. This really guarantees that Shared Belief and Wise Dan are not going to be Champions this year. If I was an owner, I would be mad.



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    Quote Originally Posted by rocksolid View Post
    It amazes me that they can name candidates for Horse of the Year before they are actually named champions. If Shared Belief and Wise Dan get the Eclipse awards, will they still name one of the others HOTY. This really guarantees that Shared Belief and Wise Dan are not going to be Champions this year. If I was an owner, I would be mad.
    The nominees are determined from the top three receiving votes on voters' ballots. I believe that includes Horse of the Year. Thus, if you feel a horse has been snubbed for a HOTY nomination, you have to blame the voters, who did not provide enough votes for that animal to be in the top three. The nominees are not pulled out of thin air.

    In other words, the champions and HOTY have already been determined by the voters. Releasing the three "nominees" is just to provide intrigue until the awards ceremony.


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    I bet Chrome gets it. Hopefully next year I'll be back on the Chrome bandwagon, but things are pretty chilly between us right now. Doubt much will change, though, if his owners keep flapping their jaws.

    Think it's silly that Shared Belief wasn't even a nominee.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Texarkana View Post
    Untapable was robbed. She should have gotten a nod.
    I quite agree. Four G1 wins in one year should get an automatic nod.
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    I think Chrome's got the most impressive record. So hoping he gets it.
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    Is the consideration only the racing record, or does Chrome's popularity with the general public (leaving Coburn out as a factor) have any influence on this award?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Plumcreek View Post
    Is the consideration only the racing record, or does Chrome's popularity with the general public (leaving Coburn out as a factor) have any influence on this award?
    No, the voting population does not care about his fan club. What influences his votes is the fact that he's a dual classic winner who out of his 6 G1 starts this season, he won 4 of them and was only off the board in one of them.

    It would be a no-brainer that Chrome is HOY this season if he hadn't been beat by Bayern twice. And while Bayern is a top class horse, he wouldn't have received many HOY votes if he hadn't won the BCC. That's the voting conundrum in this scenario.
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    It may be a conundrum for some, but I think given the mess at the beginning of the Classic, this race shouldn't even be counted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SportArab View Post
    It may be a conundrum for some, but I think given the mess at the beginning of the Classic, this race shouldn't even be counted.
    That's your opinion, and I'm sure it's an opinion shared by some voters as well. I'm just stating the facts of the scenario.

    This isn't the first time that the HOY voting has been complicated by inconsistent horses and debatable quality of races.
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    I wonder if Chrome could get three year old champion but Bayern get HOY. That would be crazy! But if the three year old vote is very close, as it should be, and then some of the Chrome voters vote Main Sequence for HOY, it could happen.



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    Chrome takes home both HOY & 3yr old Champion male

    The 2nd place horse in both categories weren't even close with votes.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Texarkana View Post
    No, the voting population does not care about his fan club.
    That's not entirely true, knowing a couple of the voters. Of course their race record is paramount, but they do take into consideration what the horse has done for the PR of racing when their records are close. For example 2010. Zenyatta won one more grade one than Blame, but Blame's grade 1s were in more prestigious races.
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