[DownYonder]

Can we do a couple of lists here for the following:

1 - Grand Prix dressage stallion sons of Grand Prix dressage stallions.

2 - Grand Prix show jumper stallion sons of Grand Prix show jumper stallions.

3 - Working Hunter (is that the highest level for hunters?) stallion sons of Working Hunter stallions. Am I correct in thinking there probably won't be a lot here since many hunters were/are sired by TBs that didn't show much themselves, and now, by jumper or dressage type warmblood stallions?

4 - Advanced eventing stallion sons of Advanced eventing stallions. Again, not too sure how many we will have here.

[DownYonder]

I can start with a few for the dressage list:

Donnerwetter and his sons Donnerhall and Disco Dernier
Donnerhall and numerous GP sons, including Donnerschlag, Don Gregory, De Niro, Davignon, Don Schufro, Don Primero, Dream of Glory, Donatelli, Don Principe, Damon Hill, etc.
Donnerschlag and his son Donnerwind
Don Schufro and his son Diamond Hit

Rubinstein I and numerous sons, including Rohdiamant, Royal Diamond, Relevant, Rolling Stone, Rubignon, Rubino Bellisimo, Regardez Moi, etc.
Rohdiamant and sons Rubin Royal, Romanov, Rhodes Scholar, etc.

Enrico Caruso and his son Kostolany
Kostolany and his sons Gribaldi and Showmaster
Gribaldi and his sons Painted Black and Totilas

Idocus and his son Olivier

Samber and his son Art Deco

Cocktail and his son Jazz
Jazz and his son Tango

Master 850 and his son Tip Top

Solos Carex and his son Scandic

Grundstein I and sons Grusus and Giorgione

[caddym]

Gribaldi / Totilas

Idocas / Olivier

[Oakstable]

Great idea for a thread.

Can people naming stallions put (NA) for those stallions who stand in North America? Thanks.

This fits in with a question of mine. If you want to buy a prospect for the highest level of the sport, you want to choose children of parents who performed at that level. Right?

[Daydream Believer]

I think Rolling Stone is also by Rubinstein I and he is upper level dressage. Lovely horse!

[vineyridge]

Darco and Parco and other stallion sons for SJ.

[andy.smaga]

Some SF "Chef de Race" those stallions have multiple progeny at GP level, I cite the most famous: (some have all ready the fifth generation of international GP winners.

Almé > Galoubet > Baloubet du Rouet > South Wind
Almé > Galoubet > Quickstar > Sprehe Stella
Almé > Jalisco B > Quidam de Revel > Nabab de reve > Vigo d'Arsouille
Almé > Jalisco B > Papillon Rouge > Fleche Rouge
Almé > Jalisco B > Olisco > Kraque Boom
Le Tot de Semilly > Diamant de Semilly > Kalaska de Semilly

Jumpers

[JER]

Advanced eventing:

Welton Gameful
--> Welton Crackerjack
--> Welton Louis --> Welton Ambassador
--> Welton Apollo --> Up with the Lark
--> Welton Gazelle*(dam of Summersong and Catherston Dazzler)

Fleetwater Opposition
--> Yarlands Summersong --> Leprince des Bois

Jumbo
-->Jigilo

[YankeeLawyer]

3 - Working Hunter (is that the highest level for hunters?) stallion sons of Working Hunter stallions. Am I correct in thinking there probably won't be a lot here since many hunters were/are sired by TBs that didn't show much themselves, and now, by jumper or dressage type warmblood stallions?

I think the bigger issue is that few stallions compete in the hunter divisions.

[YankeeLawyer]

This fits in with a question of mine. If you want to buy a prospect for the highest level of the sport, you want to choose children of parents who performed at that level. Right?

Not necessarily. I want to pick the offspring of parents that are proven *producers.* The parents may or may not have competed at high levels themselves.

[ne1]

yl, exactly right.

this is a big difference in the thinking about breeding here vs europe. in america folks are bamboozled by the horse with the big blue ribbon or the gold medal, and want to breed to him. in europe, they look and see how that horse was bred and do it again.

it is about knowing the difference between a sport horse and a breeding horse. there is great resistance to this idea here, and for sure there are areas of overlap and rare individuals who manage both. but the european experience my program looks to leverage from is very clear minded in this area and stands in stark contrast to the typical stateside breeding mindset.

[DownYonder]

I would just like names, please.

Let's not get sidetracked on THIS THREAD on the merits of breeding to high performance stallions versus non-high performance stallions.

[karin@dutchbreeders@aol.com]

Sandro Z and his son Sandro Boy!

[karin@dutchbreeders@aol.com]

Jazz and Parzival (and many others!)

[ne1]

I would just like names, please.

Let's not get sidetracked on THIS THREAD on the merits of breeding to high performance stallions versus non-high performance stallions.

indeed, it is an interesting question, and quite fun when you find where it has occurred. however, it can be misleading and needs qualification that success less frequently follows the performance trail. in the persuit of successful breeding such a caveat is more than relevant.

[karin@dutchbreeders@aol.com]

OLYMPIC COCKTAIL AND HIS SON JAZZ!

[can't re-]

Golan - International Jumper (Reserve horse for German show jumping team) and Circuit Champion 4' conformation winner, by the International jumper Goya - who is by the legendary Gotthard.

I was happy to have found a photo of Goya for a Golan article. He only stood at stud for two years before a pasture accident ended his life early.
The photo is here:
Goya

[DownYonder]

Jazz and Parzival (and many others!)

Isn't Parzival a gelding?

[DownYonder]

indeed, it is an interesting question, and quite fun when you find where it has occurred. however, it can be misleading and needs qualification that success less frequently follows the performance trail. in the persuit of successful breeding such a caveat is more than relevant.

This would be a good discussion for another thread. I do not want to derail this thread, though. Thanks.

[karin@dutchbreeders@aol.com]

OOps Down Yonder...I think you are right! Parzival may very well be a gelding.....

One more:

Gribaldi and his son Painted Black......