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    http://www.lonetreefarm.net/stallions.htm

    This is a full RID! His foals are too young to judge but his temperment is grand and his babies have those looks and that temperment so far! I keep my horses at this barn and have no vested interest in Liam!
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    Someone may have said this before but why not aberjack?

    http://www.tamarackhill.com/Stallions/aberjack.htm I know some of his foals and they are lovely horses. . . The grey they have on their website is a cuttie too.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunnar View Post
    http://www.lonetreefarm.net/stallions.htm

    This is a full RID! His foals are too young to judge but his temperment is grand and his babies have those looks and that temperment so far! I keep my horses at this barn and have no vested interest in Liam!
    But why, if you're looking to breed an Advanced eventer, would you breed to a full RID?

    You need more than a half-bred to make it to Advanced. Yes, there are exceptions, like Horton's Point, who Mark Todd rode to victory at Badminton in the 1990s. But they are the exception.

    Most horses at top level are 3/4 or 7/8 or full TB. Even 3/4 breds are less common at top level (Caroline Powell's Lenamore is an exception).



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    Quote Originally Posted by stoicfish View Post
    So as your looking for a stallion, is it that easy to dismiss any stallion, just based on breed?
    Yes, if you are trying to breed a horse with a specific ability out of a specific type of mare, which in this case would be an Advanced eventer out of a TB mare.

    There will always be exceptions, the unusual cross that makes it to the top, but that's not your goal when you're purpose-breeding for something.

    Tamarillo, the great mostly-Arab event horse is an example of a purpose-bred horse of unusual breeding. But his Arab lines are quite specific to produce what he is and his TB blood was carefully chosen. He is the product of a breeding program that bred him for eventing. Most Arabs are not bred like this.

    You're not going to get your next Tamarillo out of any old Arab.

    If an unusually-bred stallion has a track record of producing Advanced eventers out of TB mares, than by all means breed to him. It doesn't matter if he has 3 legs and a fish eye and barks like a dog -- if he produces what you're looking for.

    Quote Originally Posted by stoicfish View Post
    And moreover it seems that a top level eventing horse it more about the individual horse, and training so what are the chances of any one cross creating that top level horse?
    The top eventing stallions consistently produce top eventers. To name a few in the UK/Ireland: Welton Crackerjack, Welton Apollo, Catherston Dazzler, Rock King, Jumbo, Cavalier Royale, Master Imp. Each one of these had mare types he'd match best with.

    And yes, once the foal is on the ground, it's not just a magic carpet ride to success. But a good breeder knows this and puts their youngsters in the right programs. It's not just coincidence that these horses are successful.



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    You have a world of choices.....

    I have an Aberjack mare. I knew the dam well (and have three off spring from her). Aberjack did stamp his head on my mare and added a bit of substance. She is now going Prelim doing well. Very ridable mare. He does cross well on the TBs.

    I just bred her half sister (who is a full TB) to Escudo I (at my trainer's suggestion...a **** level rider/trainer and one who has bred several of his own horses).

    http://www.superiorequinesires.com/s...s/escudo_i.htm

    He really suited her and is throwing good movers and jumpers. His frozen was outstanding....85% mobility and LOTs of little swimmers. I'll find out next week if my mare caught. Bonus is that he is apparently getting very popular with the show hunters....so if the foal doesn't want to be an eventer...that may be a potential other market. I got my semen from classic sires (http://www.lucchettiranch.com/) and I believe they have some in stock.

    Another one that made my top list was Jaguar Mail http://www.frenchstallions.org/frenc...allion=2007009

    He has a lot of blood, good movement...and obviously the jump.



    A friend has a new Royal Appereance colt who looks very nice out of a mare similar to yours. http://www.equine.vt.edu/stallions/royalappearance.html

    He doesn't have a lot of foals on the ground but one is already competiting at the Advanced level with Clark Montgomery....and he does have the pedigree to produce good eventers. He is a bit heavier than I like but I do think would cross well with TBs.


    Really....you have so many choices and any of them would be a good choice. The dam is a lovely looking girl and I bet would nick well with many boys out there. The UL eventers that *I* have talked too are not against breeding to warmbloods. Off the top of my head I know several half WB/half TBs that are doing the upper levels successfully. Critical Decision is half dutch (by Consul). Belmont (just easily won the CIC*** at Jersey Fresh and was 5th at Fair Hill CCI***) is also half dutch. And those are just the two that I can quickly think of.....So you have a lot of choices and given the importance of movement and jump....the right warmblood crossed with the right TB could really produce and outstanding potential eventer.

    There are also very few eventing stallions who have proven themselves with the new format. I specifically asked several breeders of eventers (breeding for UL eventers) whose opinions I respect, whether I should be looking at "eventing" stallions. All of them told me no....given today's format, they are all breeding more to "dressage" or "jumper" producing stallions. Most actually want Jumper stallions who still throw good movement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fred View Post
    Another horse I love and think the OP should look at is Miner's Lamp. Is there frozen available for him?
    I just happened to be speaking to Christine this morning, and we discussed Miner's Lamp - his frozen is in very limited supply since he died (and EMCO is sold out of their stock). She said there is a possibility of bringing more over on a prepaid basis but that IF she is able to acquire any more, doses would be very limited indeed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JER View Post
    But why, if you're looking to breed an Advanced eventer, would you breed to a full RID?

    You need more than a half-bred to make it to Advanced. Yes, there are exceptions, like Horton's Point, who Mark Todd rode to victory at Badminton in the 1990s. But they are the exception.

    Most horses at top level are 3/4 or 7/8 or full TB. Even 3/4 breds are less common at top level (Caroline Powell's Lenamore is an exception).
    How Irish is Mackinlaigh (sp?) I am no expert and was just offering up a nice stallion that i am familiar with!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bornfreenowexpensive View Post
    Another one that made my top list was Jaguar Mail http://www.frenchstallions.org/frenc...allion=2007009
    I like this stallion a lot. He produces nice eventers, too. I also liked his sire, Hand in Glove, a lot. A really outstanding TB.


    (But he's off my list as my mare is a little too closely related to Hand in Glove. The resulting pedigree would make people squeamish!)



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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunnar View Post
    How Irish is Mackinlaigh (sp?) I am no expert and was just offering up a nice stallion that i am familiar with!
    McKinlaigh is half RID by pedigree, slightly less in blood due to TB behind some of the RIDs (but McKinlaigh is a gelding unfortunately!).
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    Quote Originally Posted by JER View Post
    I like this stallion a lot. He produces nice eventers, too. I also liked his sire, Hand in Glove, a lot. A really outstanding TB.


    (But he's off my list as my mare is a little too closely related to Hand in Glove. The resulting pedigree would make people squeamish!)

    Yeah, I really really like him for an eventer as well.....and his TB lines actually nick well with my mare. There would be no line breeding with him at all in the first 5 generations (hard to do that with TBs now a days). My only issue is that my mare is tall and he is tall....so I might end up with one that needs a ladder to get on.

    I think that I will end up breeding to him.....but I want to see a few more of his babies (there are a few breeders local to me who have bred to him for foals this year)....and see what my mare produces with Escudo as well.
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    I have a couple of queries about Jaguar Mail. Firstly he's very tall at 17.1 for an event sire. Most eventers are smaller, 16-16.2hh probably because smaller horses tend to stay sounder. Secondly he's covered over 1000 mares and is now 12 years old so his oldest offspring should be 7 yet he doesn't appear on any of the sire lists of winning 5, 6 and 7yo eventers. Perhaps there are good reasons for this but if I had the OPs mare I'd be more likely to choose a proven sire not one who has had many big books of mares with nothing yet to show for it.

    Here is the full analysis of eventers that won points in 2008 in the UK and who sired them. Jaguar Mail is conspicuously absent.

    ABBERJACK JACKSON ABBEY 7
    ABBERJACK Total 7
    ABDULLAH (USA) VINKA 31
    ABDULLAH (USA) Total 31
    ABERJACK SPRINGWATCH JACKANAPES 10
    ABERJACK Total 10
    ACCONDY CATHPAIR HIGH HOPES 25
    FOREVER MHOR 25
    BENROMACH 7
    ICICLE 6
    ACCONDY Total 63
    ACHTERMANN BOURNE BELVEDERE 5
    ACHTERMANN Total 5
    ACROBAAT ACROLIANCE EMBREGTS 2
    ACROBAAT Total 2
    ACTINIUM TRIBAL LEADER 83
    ACTINIUM Total 83
    ALDATO LISMORE LAD 8
    ALDATO Total 8
    ALDATUS ODT FLYBY 29
    ALDATUS Total 29
    ALDATUS Z WHITESMITH LADY 5
    ALDATUS Z Total 5
    ALJANO ALGORITHM 19
    ALJANO Total 19
    ALPATUS KILKEE 43
    ALPATUS Total 43
    AMONG MEN MYSTIC PROMISE 8
    AMONG MEN Total 8
    ANDIAMO ULTIMATE QUEST 3
    ANDIAMO Total 3
    ANDRETTI THE RED LION 44
    ANDRETTI Total 44
    ANSHAN ANDROMAQUE 18
    RUDYS PRIDE 4
    ANSHAN Total 22
    ANYTIME OLOA 20
    ANYTIME Total 20
    APPLEDORE CHEYENNE LAZY ACRES CRUSADER 20
    APPLEDORE CHEYENNE Total 20
    APPRAISAL BRADMOOR HIGHFLYER 2
    APPRAISAL Total 2
    ARGENTINUS LANDINA 8
    ARGENTINUS Total 8
    ARMSTRONG URBANUS II 46
    ARMSTRONG Total 46
    ASHFIELD MACTALLA TREWITHIAN BRACKEN 12
    ASHFIELD MACTALLA Total 12
    ATHLET Z IDEAL 1
    ATHLET Z Total 1
    ATRAF HEADS YOUR GRAY 9
    ATRAF Total 9
    BALLY SKIP MRS BROWN 1
    BALLY SKIP Total 1
    BANDMASTER SOUL SISTER 19
    BANDMASTER Total 19
    BANTRY BLUES BALLY ARD 20
    BANTRY BLUES Total 20
    BARNA GLEN BARNA B II 3
    BARNA GLEN Total 3
    BEAU DIAMOND WESTERN AMBASSADOR 75
    BEAU DIAMOND Total 75
    BIG SINK HOPE FLITTERBUZZ 14
    BIG SINK HOPE Total 14
    BIMSEY WAS EARLY ON 1
    BIMSEY Total 1
    BISHOP OF CASHEL HERMES IV 20
    BISHOP OF CASHEL Total 20
    BLURRED VISION SPOTLESS VISION 1
    BLURRED VISION Total 1
    BODEN PARK KILBREW MARISLAND VINCA 1
    BODEN PARK KILBREW Total 1
    BOLIVAR VENTURE CAPITAL NJ 28
    BOLIVAR Total 28
    BONNY PRINCE COOL DIAMOND 49
    BONNY PRINCE Total 49
    BOTANIC GRACE DARLING 1
    BOTANIC Total 1
    BRIGADIER LINDON WILL TOO DO 1
    BRIGADIER LINDON Total 1
    BROADSTONE LANDMARK ODT LAND VISION 96
    BROADSTONE LANDMARK Total 96
    BUSKHILL GUNNAR V11 AZERLEY BUSKER 2
    BUSKHILL GUNNAR V11 Total 2
    BUSKHILL GUNNER KIRKMOOR ST GEORGE 26
    BUSKHILL GUNNER Total 26
    CABDULA DU TILLARD NANKIN DES RUETTES 6
    CABDULA DU TILLARD Total 6
    CALEDONIAN BAY RUSHTON CHERRY OF GRESCHURCH 2
    CALEDONIAN BAY Total 2
    CANADIAN RIVER BUZZY BEE 3
    CANADIAN RIVER Total 3
    CAPTAIN CLOVER CAPTAIN BERTIE 1
    CAPTAIN CLOVER Total 1
    CARNAVAL DRUM CARNAVAL BOUNCER 15
    CARNAVAL CLASSIC 7
    CARNAVAL PRINCE II 28
    CARNAVAL DRUM Total 50
    CARNUTE REDESIGNED 97
    CARNUTE Total 97
    CAROLUS CAROLINUS 4
    CAROLUS Total 4
    CAROUSEL CIRCUS BOY 2
    CAROUSEL Total 2
    CARROLL HOUSE THREE SIXTY 5
    CARROLL HOUSE Total 5
    CARTHAGO Z CADOC Z 7
    CARTHAGO Z Total 7
    CARVALLO CAPITALL M 1
    CARVALLO Total 1
    CASSINI II UTOPIA 12
    CASSINI II Total 12
    CATHERSTON DAZZLER DAZZLING GEM 18
    CATHERSTON DAZZLER Total 18
    CATHERSTON LIBERATOR JESTERS LIBERTY 10
    JUST A GIGGLE 17
    LIBERAL LADY 15
    THE EARL OF BELVEDERE 7
    CATHERSTON LIBERATOR Total 49
    CAVALIER ODT SECRET SPY 28
    TOTALLY UNIQUE II 2
    CAVALIER Total 30
    CAVALIER ROYALE BALLINTOGHER BABE 16
    BORLEAGH BEAU 16
    CAVALIERS DREAM 26
    CAVALIER ROYALE Total 58
    CAVALIER TWO FOR JOY BITS N PIECES III 17
    MOORES STREAM 45
    CAVALIER TWO FOR JOY Total 62
    CENTAUR FIRST CLASS MILLRACE EXPLORER 22
    CENTAUR FIRST CLASS Total 22
    CHACOA BALLYHOOLY 26
    DIAMOND LODGE 11
    MIRACLE CONTENDER NJ 41
    CHACOA Total 78
    CHAIRMAN CAUSE CELEBRE 1
    GALLANT 9
    CHAIRMAN Total 10
    CHAMBER LOUGHSHORE COMEDY ACT 31
    TOUCH OF SILVER 36
    CHAMBER Total 67
    CHAMBERLAINE MINIMEE 13
    CHAMBERLAINE Total 13
    CHASSEUR MARSTON HILL CHARMER 15
    CHASSEUR Total 15
    CHOACA STRICTLY BUSINESS IV 18
    CHOACA Total 18
    CHOCOLAT DE MEGURO OUR OPENING BID 1
    CHOCOLAT DE MEGURO Total 1
    CHUMBA WUMBA TWO TONE TRUTHWALL 7
    CHUMBA WUMBA Total 7
    CLASSIC BEE CLASSICAL 4
    CLASSIC COUTURE 1
    FOXWOOD CLASSIC 30
    CLASSIC Total 35
    CLASSIC CLICHE NEVER BE POOR AGAIN 1
    CLASSIC CLICHE Total 1
    CLERKENWELL BLATCHLEY BOY 7
    CLERKENWELL Total 7
    CLOVER MAN LEGACY FLIGHT 4
    CLOVER MAN Total 4
    CLOVER VALLEY FERNHILL TIGER VALLEY 8
    CLOVER VALLEY Total 8
    COEVERS DIAMOND BOY BRL THE GANGSTERS MOLL 1
    SWITCHED ON 32
    COEVERS DIAMOND BOY Total 33
    COLIN DIAMOND CASTLE COUNTDOWN 39
    IDENTITY CRISIS 2
    COLIN DIAMOND Total 41
    COLOURFIELD COLOUR ME RED 3
    COLOURFIELD Total 3
    COMEFAST KING TYLLABEG 7
    COMEFAST KING Total 7
    COMMADY OF ERRORS WORDSMITH 4
    COMMADY OF ERRORS Total 4
    COMPLIMENT COSMIC DANCER S 4
    COMPLIMENT Total 4
    CONCEPT TIGER BEACH 43
    CONCEPT Total 43
    CONDIOS FRENCESCA 3
    GOOD STEP 5
    STILO KONTIKA 51
    CONDIOS Total 59
    CONTENDER U ZERMIE 56 12
    CONTENDER Total 12
    CONVINCED DUSKY PINK 3
    POETRY IN MOTION 2
    CONVINCED Total 5
    COOLCORRON COOL DIAMOND THE COOL IMP 1
    COOLCORRON COOL DIAMOND Total 1
    CORAL STAR SWIFTBROOK BILLY 12
    CORAL STAR Total 12
    CORETANO Z CURRACHASE DD Z 5
    CORETANO Z Total 5
    CORLAND ORLANDO 63
    URIEL R 5
    CORLAND Total 68
    COTATION JUST POLLY 1
    COTATION Total 1
    COTTAGE FIRE (IRE) OKEY KOKEY 11
    COTTAGE FIRE (IRE) Total 11
    COULEUR ROBIN DOWER HOUSE BOY 1
    COULEUR ROBIN Total 1
    CROSSTOWN DANCER RICHMONDLEA SABLE 7
    CROSSTOWN DANCER Total 7
    CRUISE ON CODE OF HONOUR 11
    THORNTON CRUSADER 22
    CRUISE ON Total 33
    CRUISING CRUISE CONTROL 23
    CRUISE WARRIOR 38
    CRUISEMATIC 8
    DIRECT CRUISING 2
    FERNHILL CRUISE 3
    FULL SAIL 10
    HILL TOP CRUISER 3
    MR CRUISE CONTROL 161
    NEWMARKET CRUISE 13
    CRUISING Total 261
    CULT HERO ELEMENTRY 1
    FLAXLEY HERO 4
    FLYING MACHINE 40
    KILMURRAY CULT 1
    WESTWOOD MARINER 83
    CULT HERO Total 129
    DACAPRIO DIDI LE GRAND 20
    DACAPRIO Total 20
    DANO ASKEATON STAR 36
    DANO Total 36
    DANZIG CONNECTION BROOKFIELDS JOEY PERHAPS 5
    DANZIG CONNECTION Total 5
    DARCY DANCER MR DARCY VIII 17
    DARCY DANCER Total 17
    DAUNTLESS PRINCE DAUNTLESS 28
    DAUNTLESS PRINCE Total 28
    DAYWELL PACIFIC GOLD HILLOCKS DAYTIME 23
    DAYWELL PACIFIC GOLD Total 23
    DE NIRO DONNIRO 9
    DE NIRO Total 9
    DEMONSTRATOR DEBUSSY'S GIRL 20
    DEMONSTRATOR Total 20
    DEVILS JUMP PINK PROFILE 65
    DEVILS JUMP Total 65
    DIAMOND CLOVER BALLYRAGGETT 24
    DIAMOND CLOVER Total 24
    DIAMOND DANCER DIAMOND RIO 3
    DIAMOND DANCER Total 3
    DIMAGGIO ON Q FOR GOLD 26
    DIMAGGIO Total 26
    DISTINCT NATIVE TB UNITIVO DE FOJA 27
    DISTINCT NATIVE TB Total 27
    DOCK LEAF DIAMOND LEAF 7
    DOCK LEAF Total 7
    DON JUAN DE LA BOUVERIE DREAM ON DONI 7
    DON JUAN DE LA BOUVERIE Total 7
    DON TRISTAN AMADEUS M 2
    DON TRISTAN Total 2
    DONNERSONG KANGASONG 60
    DONNERSONG Total 60
    DORANSTOWN HELLO WILD LONE 17
    DORANSTOWN HELLO Total 17
    DOW JONES COURCEL THORNFIELD JONES 14
    DOW JONES COURCEL Total 14
    DUCA DI BUSTED COOL DANCER 15
    DUCA DI BUSTED Total 15
    DUKY FERNHILL DUKE 1
    DUKY Total 1
    DUNDEE FORGET ME NOT 32
    DUNDEE Total 32
    ELANVILLE EPPERNE Z 10
    ELANVILLE Total 10
    ELCARO UCARO 2
    ELCARO Total 2
    ELECTRO ESTELLE 10
    ELECTRO Total 10
    ELFE DE B'NEVILLE NAGGY DE B'NEVILLE 3
    ELFE DE B'NEVILLE Total 3
    ELMSHORN DHI HINDLE 66
    ELMSHORN Total 66
    EMBLA ALFRED SIMPLY GEORGE 8
    EMBLA ALFRED Total 8
    EMILION UMILIANA 8
    EMILION Total 8
    EUGANO GOULTON EUGENIE 16
    EUGANO Total 16
    EXECUTIVE PERK CARRY ON JOSEPH 43
    EXECUTIVE PERK Total 43
    FABRIANO FROZEN NORTH 2
    FABRIANO Total 2
    FAKIR DE LA LANDE THE CONJURER 24
    FAKIR DE LA LANDE Total 24
    FALDO BRIGHT SIDE 30
    FALDO Total 30
    FARRINGTONS SPONDULCKS MOTION BOUND 56
    FARRINGTONS SPONDULCKS Total 56
    FERRO UNNA DIVETTE 4
    FERRO Total 4
    FILICE DE CHAMPEIX SATINKA MAGIC 12
    WHITEHALL WE HOPE 1
    FILICE DE CHAMPEIX Total 13
    FILIDOR DE LARGIVAL NOUNES 38
    FILIDOR DE LARGIVAL Total 38
    FINES OPLITAS 84
    FINES Total 84
    FLAGMOUNT KING KILLOSSERY ARDNEHUE 1
    RANIKET 1
    WATERFORD ROSE 5
    FLAGMOUNT KING Total 7
    FLAME HILL FLAME DANCER 1
    FLAME HILL Total 1
    FLEETWATER OPPOSITION BLUE MOON OPPOSITION 3
    SERIOUS OPPOSITION 75
    SUNLEY SPIRIT 16
    FLEETWATER OPPOSITION Total 94
    FLEMMINGH USHI 16
    FLEMMINGH Total 16
    FOURSTARS ALLSTAR RAVENSTAR 15
    FOURSTARS ALLSTAR Total 15
    FRANKFORT BOY KNOCKMORE LAD 25
    SPRING TOGETHER 15
    FRANKFORT BOY Total 40
    FRENCH DEPUTY TIERRI 2
    FRENCH DEPUTY Total 2
    FULL EXTENT BIG NIGHT OUT 6
    FULL EXTENT Total 6
    FURISTOS DIAMOND TOMS DIAMOND 5
    FURISTOS DIAMOND Total 5
    FUTURE ROLE WALK ON FIRE 15
    FUTURE ROLE Total 15
    FUTURE ROLE BRENDONHILL DOUBLET 21
    DIAMOND DANNY 2
    FUTURE ROLE Total 23
    GARDEGENERAL GRAND SURPRISE 3
    GARDEGENERAL Total 3
    GARISTON ROYAL NOBLE BIG JIM 26
    GARISTON ROYAL Total 26
    GARUDA SHADURAGH 1
    GARUDA Total 1
    GERMUS RIVERSIDE BOB 5
    GERMUS Total 5
    GHAREEB GHAREEB KING 1
    JUST A PERFORMANCE 1
    KILRONAN 5
    LAURAS GHAREEB 9
    TULLAMORE GIRL 11
    GHAREEB Total 27
    GOLAN JUNIOR VII ROUGH PASSAGE 1
    GOLAN JUNIOR VII Total 1
    GOLDSMITHS HALL DARK CRUSADER 20
    GOLDSMITHS HALL Total 20
    GOOD TIMES SPORTING UNO 15
    GOOD TIMES Total 15
    GOODTIMES UNORETTE 2
    GOODTIMES Total 2
    GOTHLAND HIGH DAYS 3
    GOTHLAND Total 3
    GRAF GRANNO MOONLIGHT ENGAGEMENT 6
    GRAF GRANNO Total 6
    GRAN ALBA GRAN CHACO 46
    GRAN ALBA Total 46
    GRANDEUR BRANNAS GRANDANTO 8
    GRANDEUR Total 8
    GRANNEX LITTLE BOSS 22
    GRANNEX Total 22
    GRASSHOPPER QUINCEY 18
    GRASSHOPPER Total 18
    GREAT MARQUESS THE BOND BOY 2
    GREAT MARQUESS Total 2
    GREY DESIRE WITH A PASSION 10
    GREY DESIRE Total 10
    GUNTER D' L' HERBAGE NESTOR DES ISLOTS 6
    GUNTER D' L' HERBAGE Total 6
    HAND IN GLOVE TRESCOTHICK 23
    HAND IN GLOVE Total 23
    HANDLEY BARNS GRANDEE UPTOWN GIRL III 3
    HANDLEY BARNS GRANDEE Total 3
    HEARTBREAKER POWER OF DREAMS 18
    THE ATTENTION SEEKER 15
    HEARTBREAKER Total 33
    HEMINGWAY OUT OF ORDER II 2
    HEMINGWAY Total 2
    HERITAGE FORTUNUS KAFKA 4
    HERITAGE FORTUNUS Total 4
    HIGH ROLLER DOONAVEERAGH O ONE 54
    HIGH ROLLER Total 54
    HIGH SCOPE BLUESTONE LUKE 16
    HIGH SCOPE Total 16
    HOARLEM AP UPRISING 27
    HOARLEM Total 27
    HOLD UP PREMIER UNDERCOVER III 20
    HOLD UP PREMIER Total 20
    HOLME PARK FLUTE II EYFORD FIDELIO 44
    HOLME PARK FLUTE II Total 44
    HORNET ROSE NICK OF THYME 101
    HORNET ROSE Total 101
    HORS LA LOI II GANGSTA II 23
    HORS LA LOI II Total 23
    IRCOLANDO USHI II 3
    IRCOLANDO Total 3
    ITS WITOUT DOUBT VII LAISSER FAERE II 3
    ITS WITOUT DOUBT VII Total 3
    JACKSONS DRIFT MOCHARABUIEE 8
    JACKSONS DRIFT Total 8
    JANNEMAN UBERTO 11
    JANNEMAN Total 11
    JAVA GOLD INISDEA GOLD 10
    JAVA GOLD Total 10
    JAVA TIGER BRATTON FLYING TIGGER 8
    LINNEL DANCING TIGER 70
    XAM 2
    JAVA TIGER Total 80
    JAYEN TYSHION LOUBAR WILLIAM 37
    JAYEN TYSHION Total 37
    JETSET-D URBAIN 18
    JETSET-D Total 18
    JUMBO JAMBOREE 13
    JUMBO JACK 1
    LARKET HILL 2
    NF MOLLY MALONE 15
    ON YOUR MARKS 70
    SUPERIUS 13
    JUMBO Total 114
    JUMPILOT UDENSIE 2
    JUMPILOT Total 2
    KASHMIR VAN SCHUTTERSHOF BOY 16
    KASHMIR VAN SCHUTTERSHOF Total 16
    KEEN KEEN FOX 1
    OAKS HOTSHOT 1
    THE LAVERTON LAD 2
    KEEN Total 4
    KENNEDEDY UPKE 3
    KENNEDEDY Total 3
    KENNEDY URSELA 45
    KENNEDY Total 45
    KERANAGH HERO IN VOGUE 25
    KERANAGH HERO Total 25
    KEYSTONE DIMAGGIO DIFLORIO 4
    KEYSTONE DIMAGGIO Total 4
    KILCROW DIAMOND SATCH 2
    KILCROW DIAMOND Total 2
    KILDALTON KING HOLLY 11
    KILDALTON KING Total 11
    KILGLASS PENNISTONE ROOSKEY 18
    KILGLASS PENNISTONE Total 18
    KING LUTHIER LUTHIERS SECRET 2
    KING LUTHIER Total 2
    KINGS COMPOSER KING HARRY 5
    KINGS COMPOSER Total 5
    KINGS MASTER DARKEST ILLUSION 7
    DAVISHILL SOPHIE 4
    HENRY HILL 9
    IMPERIAL COLOURS 14
    KILCRONEY 15
    KINGS BOUNTY 12
    KNOCKALONG 10
    MASTER CHUZZLEWIT 29
    ODT KINGS JASPER 73
    KINGS MASTER Total 173
    KINGS QUEST MISS D CHEYENNE 2
    KINGS QUEST Total 2
    KINGSINGER GENTLEMAN GEORGE 21
    KINGSINGER Total 21
    LAGUNAS FIRECRACKER IV 5
    LAGUNAS Total 5
    LAISSEZ--FAIRE FAIR SAIL 9
    LAISSEZ--FAIRE Total 9
    LAKESTREET ENVOY SPRINGLEAZE RHAPSODY 11
    LAKESTREET ENVOY Total 11
    LAMERTO H LESCARGOT 17
    LAMERTO H Total 17
    LANCER II SILVIA 3
    LANCER II Total 3
    LANCET DHI EURO STAR 21
    LANCET Total 21
    LANSING UNTWIST II 1
    LANSING Total 1
    LARALLE LORD LAURIES 27
    LARALLE Total 27
    LARSH SAM I AM II 10
    LARSH Total 10
    LAURISTON UNIVERSE 2
    LAURISTON Total 2
    LAVIRCO COSTELA 26
    LAVIRCO Total 26
    LEMON PARK LORD VILLAIN 8
    LEMON PARK Total 8
    LESTER LAD THE LESTER TIGER 25
    LESTER LAD Total 25
    LIMMERICK BURNT COHIBA 79
    GRAF LANDLORD 26
    LIMMERICK Total 105
    LOCH CRUISE THE GREY TURK 21
    LOCH CRUISE Total 21
    LOMBARDO COMPTON 31
    LOMBI 1
    POCKET DIPLOMAT 26
    LOMBARDO Total 58
    LOOPING RIME FROST 24
    LOOPING Total 24
    LORD NOBLE GLEN BRUNO 1
    LORD NOBLE Total 1
    LOSTOCK BLUE DOMINO DOUBLE SIX 4
    LOSTOCK BLUE Total 4
    LOSTOCK HUNTSMAN MICKEY JAMES 7
    WHITE TIE AND TAILS 21
    LOSTOCK HUNTSMAN Total 28
    LOUELLA INSCHALLAH III SIR JEFFREY 1
    LOUELLA INSCHALLAH III Total 1
    LOUGHEHOE GUY ORDINARY BOY 6
    LOUGHEHOE GUY Total 6
    LUCKY GIFT GET LUCKY 3
    HOLY MOLEY II 13
    LUCKY GIFT Total 16
    LUCKY VALIER RUMOUR HAS IT 18
    WOODFIELD RIA 15
    LUCKY VALIER Total 33
    LUX TOTALLY UNIQUE 2
    LUX Total 2
    LUX Z LUXOR 2
    PEBBLY FLUX 10
    LUX Z Total 12
    LYPHENTO DEGAS 1
    LYPHENTO Total 1
    LYPHENTO USA ALLERCOMBE POPPY 1
    LYPHENTO USA Total 1
    MALMSEY COUNTDOWN II 11
    MALMSEY Total 11
    MALT STRIKER WHIXLEY STRIKER 7
    MALT STRIKER Total 7
    MALTSTRIKER BRIGG STRIKER 3
    MALTSTRIKER Total 3
    MAN AMONG MEN RAFFAELLO 2
    MAN AMONG MEN Total 2
    MANHATTAN MERLINNEKE Z 4
    PURE MANHATTAN 42
    MANHATTAN Total 46
    MANSOMIEN OKAY MAN 67
    MANSOMIEN Total 67
    MARCO MITRAS MITRAS EMINEM 54
    MARCO MITRAS Total 54
    MARK TWAIN ROSSBEIGH 47
    MARK TWAIN Total 47
    MARS PUZZLED II 10
    MARS Total 10
    MASTER IMP BIGTIME 22
    DRESSED TO IMPRESS 25
    FERNHILL IMPULSE 20
    HEDONIST 14
    HIGH KINGDOM 15
    IM POSING 1
    IMPRINT II 13
    IMPULSIVE 47
    JOBMASTER 31
    MASTER CRUSOE 56
    MASTER JACK III 2
    MASTERFUL CLOVER 1
    MISS IMPRESS 14
    TOMNAFINNOGUE 4
    TRICK MASTER 25
    MASTER IMP Total 290
    MATADOR MR MILLER 2 9
    MATADOR Total 9
    MATINEE FINAL ENCORE 13
    WILLY DO 29
    MATINEE Total 42
    MATINEE DU MADON VII MUTUAL WILL 27
    MATINEE DU MADON VII Total 27
    MATINEE DU MADOW VII WELLSHEAD MUNNINGS 16
    MATINEE DU MADOW VII Total 16
    MAXIMILLIUM SALLUT ORTO 2
    MAXIMILLIUM SALLUT Total 2
    MAYHILL BONZA BILBARIN 10
    BONZA KINGSCANYON 20
    COPPERHILL SOLSTICE 15
    MAYHILL Total 45
    MEADOWBROOK WRENWATER 1
    MEADOWBROOK Total 1
    MERIT BARLEY MILL 17
    MERIT Total 17
    METALL URZAN 48
    METALL Total 48
    METROPOLE URSULA 10
    METROPOLE Total 10
    MILL LAW MILLIE ON AIR 39
    MILL LAW Total 39
    MILLBROOK ESQ WILLPOWER 17
    MILLBROOK ESQ Total 17
    MONTE CARLO FRECKLETON MAGIC 23
    MONTE CARLO Total 23
    MR CLOVER GRANGEWOOD IN CLOVER 2
    MR CLOVER Total 2
    MUSHAADIR TULLIBARDS NIMBUS 4
    MUSHAADIR Total 4
    MY WAY MY LAST ONE 11
    MY WAY Total 11
    N/A DOCTOR KILDARE 1
    JUST OTTO 23
    N/A Total 24
    NAIROBI UROCO 31
    NAIROBI Total 31
    NAMELUS FOREIGN ENCOUNTER 1
    NAMELUS Total 1
    NARCOS FRENCH CONNECTION NJ 1
    NARCOS Total 1
    NARMIRO FEELING FRIDAY 9
    NARMIRO Total 9
    NAUTILUS FORGE STAR 1
    NAUTILUS Total 1
    NEGATIVE NUGGET LAMBRIG VALENTINE 3
    NEGATIVE NUGGET Total 3
    NICKEL STEEL HEART OF GOLD 20
    NICKEL STEEL Total 20
    NIDOR PLATIERE NEUF DES COEURS 77
    NIDOR PLATIERE Total 77
    NO LIMIT CASINO ROYALE 5
    NO LIMIT Total 5
    NORTON CHALLENGER FAIT ACCOMPLIS 12
    NORTON CHALLENGER Total 12
    NOT KNOWN PEBBLY AGA KHAN 18
    NOT KNOWN Total 18
    O.B.O.S QUALITY CUFFESGRANGE QUALITY 12
    RAPHAEL III 84
    O.B.O.S QUALITY Total 96
    OBOS QUALITY ODT JERRY SPRINGS 24
    OBOS QUALITY Total 24
    ODERMUS POLAR RUN 57
    ODERMUS Total 57
    OHIO EURO STAR 24
    OHIO Total 24
    OJASPER UN NEVER 1
    OJASPER Total 1
    OKLUND KRAKATAU 11
    OKLUND Total 11
    OLYMPIC LUX CASTLE LUX 4
    DRIVING FORCE 10
    OLYMPIC LUX Total 14
    ONZE FONS U OVERTON PRIDE 4
    ONZE FONS Total 4
    OPIUM DE LAUBRY BUTTERFLY BOY 5
    OPIUM DE LAUBRY Total 5
    OPTIMIST NEXT OPTIMIST 9
    UMBRO 23
    OPTIMIST Total 32
    ORAME UNTOUCHABLE III 1
    UWALD 22
    ORAME Total 23
    ORBIS POPPY COIN 36
    ORBIS Total 36
    ORVILLE OEPS 14
    ORVILLE Total 14
    OSCAR SCHINDLER DRIVE THRU 65
    OSCAR SCHINDLER Total 65
    OSILVIS SHANNONDALE SILVAC 4
    WHOS CRUISE 39
    OSILVIS Total 43
    PACIFIC SQUIRT 30
    PACIFIC Total 30
    PAIRC NA CLOCHA FAIRMONT TWICE SHY 26
    PAIRC NA CLOCHA Total 26
    PASTERNAK TRAFALGAR 71
    PASTERNAK Total 71
    PAULDARY'S TOP TIGER TIGER TIGER III 1
    PAULDARY'S TOP TIGER Total 1
    PAVAROTTI V.D. HELLE PEPPER ANNE 34
    PAVAROTTI V.D. HELLE Total 34
    PHIN PHIN UCHIN 59
    PHIN PHIN Total 59
    PIK SOLO BONNE AMIE 6
    PIK SOLO Total 6
    PILOT PUR OF KEWIA PILOTS PLEASURE 29
    PILOT PUR OF KEWIA Total 29
    POETIC JUSTICE COURTING SUCCESS 32
    POETIC JUSTICE Total 32
    POLANSKY ULICIEJANDO 3
    POLANSKY Total 3
    POLITICAL MERGER OBERON DON 7
    POLITICAL MERGER Total 7
    PONTEVECCHIO LITIGATION II 2
    PONTEVECCHIO Total 2
    POWER BLADE CHANTRY RIVERDANCE 3
    POWER LINE 36
    POWER BLADE Total 39
    PRIMITIVE RISING BAGGRAVE SEVRUGA 14
    LILLIESLEAF 8
    ONELINER 11
    PRIMITIVE PRISCILLA 21
    PRIMITIVE PURPLE STREAK 19
    PRIMITIVE SWORD 1
    PRIMITIVES PANSY 11
    RISING TIME 20
    RIVENDELL SPRINGS 5
    TIGER LILY IX 26
    TREQUITE 21
    PRIMITIVE RISING Total 157
    PRIMO PAGEANT DORIAN GRAY 3
    PRIMO PAGEANT Total 3
    PRINCE PARADISO MATCHLESS 12
    PRINCE PARADISO Total 12
    PRIVATE DESPATCH ABBEY D'OR 5
    PRIVATE DESPATCH Total 5
    PUCCINI FRANKIE 19
    PUCCINI Total 19
    PUISSANCE BALLADEER DEL 15
    HOYO 35
    PUISSANCE Total 50
    PULSINGH WILDERNESS II 50
    PULSINGH Total 50
    QUEENS SOLDIER RUFFORTH QUEENS REGIMENT 23
    QUEENS SOLDIER Total 23
    QUINCY OMNI STAR 3
    QUINCY Total 3
    RAINBOW LAD LANGARTH EDMUND 17
    RAINBOW LAD Total 17
    RAINBOWS END TRIPLE BLEND 1
    RAINBOWS END Total 1
    RAKAPOSHI KING MINI MISS 21
    RAKAPOSHI KING Total 21
    RAMEXICO MULLIGAN II 18
    PEMBREY PERZAZ 4
    RAMEXICO Total 22
    RAMIRO B ASHDALE KALIRO 42
    CALL ME ISHMAEL 4
    ODT RABBIE MAC FLY 31
    STONEHAVENS LADY B 1
    RAMIRO B Total 78
    RANDI STAR ATTRACTION 6
    RANDI Total 6
    RANTIS DIAMOND IRISH AFFAIR 15
    RANTIS DIAMOND Total 15
    REGAL STING SET DESIGNER 5
    REGAL STING Total 5
    RELIEF PITCHER BOWLING CLOUD 16
    TOTTEN LADY 21
    RELIEF PITCHER Total 37
    REVOLUTION SPRING DANCER 1
    REVOLUTION Total 1
    RHOMAN RULE ROMAN LAW 1
    RHOMAN RULE Total 1
    RICARDO Z BALLYBOE INTEGITY 19
    BALLYENGLAND REBEL 28
    JEEPERS CREEPERS 11
    KURIOSITY 16
    LITTLE TED 11
    MATINEE IDOL II 35
    ROXY RICARDO 6
    SPORTSFIELD ONE O TWO 16
    SPORTSFIELD OTHELLO 25
    SUPA NOVA II 11
    WINEPORT QUEST 23
    RICARDO Z Total 201
    RICH REBEL CULLAWN HOLLY 27
    KENNEALLYS PRIDE 10
    RICH REBEL Total 37
    ROCK CITY CITY GIRL 3
    ROCK CITY Total 3
    ROCK KING ICE FIRST 18
    ROCK KING Total 18
    ROCKWELL ROCETTE 28
    ROCKWELL Total 28
    ROMA DIAMOND SKIP TEDWARD 1
    ROMA DIAMOND SKIP Total 1
    ROMANY JOJO MRS TILLY 25
    ROMANY JOJO Total 25
    ROMAR 1 LOCH AILORT 3
    ROMAR 1 Total 3
    ROSEBERRY AVENUE ARLINGTON WAY 11
    ROSEBERRY AVENUE Total 11
    ROSIRE NEWTON DE LA LOVE 73
    ROSIRE Total 73
    ROSSCASTLE FRED KNOCKILLAREE CASTLE 1
    ROSSCASTLE FRED Total 1
    ROSTJNTAN RAIN MAN III 61
    ROSTJNTAN Total 61
    ROTSPON REAL DANCER 23
    ROTSPON Total 23
    ROYAL PERSIAN CARLINGFORDS ROYALE 18
    ROYAL PERSIAN Total 18
    RUBENS DU RI D'ASSE D'96 JACK THE MAN 1
    RUBENS DU RI D'ASSE D'96 Total 1
    RUBENS DURI D ASSE BOLERO II 1
    RUBENS DURI D ASSE Total 1
    RUDGEWAY CHARMING PRINCE SANNANVALLEY CHIEFTAIN 1
    RUDGEWAY CHARMING PRINCE Total 1
    RUFFO BAGS NOT 3
    RUFFO Total 3
    SADDLERS HALL FAILINIS 1
    SADDLERS HALL Total 1
    SANDRO HIT SONG SONG BLUE 25
    SANDRO HIT Total 25
    SARACEN HILL LINCOURT SAR 1
    SARACEN HILL Total 1
    SEA RAVEN LORD PERCY II 4
    SEA RAVEN Total 4
    SHAAB DOGBERRY 11
    SHAAB Total 11
    SHATTERED PEACE TEETON SOLSTICE 1
    WILLOWBY V 26
    SHATTERED PEACE Total 27
    SHERLOCK HOLMES SAPPALOT 6
    SHERLOCK HOLMES Total 6
    SHINE ON FILIGREE 1
    SHINE ON Total 1
    SILVER OWL LORD OF THE OWLS 21
    TREFILAN QUICKSILVER 1
    SILVER OWL Total 22
    SIR HOLTRUP EYE CATCHER 14
    SIR HOLTRUP Total 14
    SIR LARYKS WASAL 41
    SIR LARYKS Total 41
    SNOWFORD PINKSTON SPRING BOX 1
    SNOWFORD PINKSTON Total 1
    SOIR D'AVRIL NIKOS 47
    SOIR D'AVRIL Total 47
    SONG OF THE WOODS TOP OF THE TREES 13
    SONG OF THE WOODS Total 13
    SPRING ELEGANCE BOMBERS MOON 2
    LOUGHNATOUSA ELEGANCE 5
    NENAGH 3
    SPRING ELEGANCE Total 10
    STAR KINGDOM TATTYGARE GOLDEN NOBLE 1
    STAR KINGDOM Total 1
    STAR OF PERSIA RYE HILL II 1
    STAR OF PERSIA Total 1
    STEAL THE SHOW INTREPID 15
    STEAL THE SHOW Total 15
    STETSEN HONEYPOT TIGER LILLY 15
    STETSEN Total 15
    SUN RICH CHARLOTTE GREY 3
    SUN RICH Total 3
    SUNLIGHT HELLO SUNSHINE 2
    SUNLIGHT Total 2
    SYLVAN EXPRESS HADDON TRUMP CARD 1
    MOPANI 62
    SIR JASPER VI 1
    SYLVAN EXPRESS Total 64
    TASSET TASS 17
    TASSET GOLD 1
    TASSET Total 18
    THE ARTIST THE CHENKO ARTIST 54
    THE ARTIST Total 54
    THE GLADIATOR AKAROA 12
    THE GLADIATOR Total 12
    THE STAR OF ORION WOODLANDS ANABEL 7
    THE STAR OF ORION Total 7
    TIKKY MUSHU 25
    TIKKY Total 25
    TINKA'S LAD CROFT PLAY BOY 37
    TINKA'S LAD Total 37
    TORNADO TOUCANO 4
    TORNADO Total 4
    TOUCHDOWN MONARCHS ROYAL TOUCH 23
    OUT OF TOUCH II 6
    TOUCHALIER 7
    T-REX 1
    TOUCHDOWN Total 37
    TRACY X BY CRIKEY 12
    TRACY X Total 12
    TRESOR BOLERO DE STE HERMELLE 11
    TRESOR Total 11
    TULIRA ROBUCK GRANAHAN MOON ROCKET 15
    TULIRA ROBUCK Total 15
    TURNING POINT SANDHILLS STAR TURN 14
    TURNING POINT Total 14
    UNBELIEVABLE DARCO DARC ANNA 1
    UNBELIEVABLE DARCO Total 1
    UNKNOWN ABCOEUR BAY 1
    ADVANCED BOOKING 13
    APRILS DELIGHT 12
    APRILS FOOL 2
    BETTER THAN EVER 5
    BLUE 10
    BREEZE IV 9
    BUTTON CLOVER 26
    CAPTAIN NEMO 2
    CASTLE CONFETTI 33
    CASTLEVIEW MISTY 6
    CHAPELWELLS STINGO 2
    CHARLIE VIII 54
    CHEQUERS HOT CHOCOLATE 1
    DAISY DUKE 23
    DEVILS ADVOCATE III 26
    DINNY BATH 24
    EASY TARGET 56
    FERNHILL ROYAL FLUSH 8
    FERNHILL UTOPIA 24
    FLYTE 36
    FORTUNE COOKIE 21
    GLENDUN 37
    GORTGLAS TRISTAN 2
    GUS 8
    HERE'S HOUDI 1
    HOPE COVE 39
    IN YOUR HONOUR 1
    JUST LIKE JOE 2
    KELLS CELTIC SILVER 17
    LOUGHNATOUSA RED ROCK 2
    MAGICAL MOMENT 3
    MONOGRAM 27
    MONTEZUMA II 9
    MR CIRCUS 24
    MR DIAMOND GRAY 2
    ODT ARCTIC MONKEY 1
    PEBBLY MANOFHONOUR 1
    POLLYANNA II 2
    RED WHARF HORACE 1
    REGENT LAD 45
    ROAD TAX 2
    ROYAL RISING 14
    SHAPE SHIFTER 2
    SKIPPERS PLAN 2
    SOMETHING OR NOTHING 1
    SONNY EARLY 23
    SPORTSFIELD WE THREE 6
    SQUIFFY JIFFY 1
    STAPLEFORD THE GHOST 2
    STEP IT OUT 1
    TASK MASTER 29
    THE OTHER SIDE 3
    THE WIZN'T 14
    TO BE SHAUGH 1
    UNKNOWN Total 719
    UP CHIQUI WAIT A MINUTE 25
    UP CHIQUI Total 25
    UPTONS TRUE DIAMOND TADPOLE 14
    UPTONS TRUE DIAMOND Total 14
    VDK ARKANSAS CYRIL THE SQURRIL III 12
    VDK ARKANSAS Total 12
    VECHTA BILLY BEAR 7
    BILLY BLACK JACK 27
    BILLY MALONE 9
    VECHTA Total 43
    VERSAIILES II NYSA DE PETRA 19
    VERSAIILES II Total 19
    WARLOCK OF BELLHOUSE WENDEL OF BELLHOUSE 16
    WARLOCK OF BELLHOUSE Total 16
    WELCOME FLAGMOUNT CORGARY LAD 18
    WELCOME FLAGMOUNT Total 18
    WELLBORN SOMETHING ABOUT DANNY 7
    WELLBORN Total 7
    WELTON AMBASSADOR CYBER QUEST 1
    PERFICK MISS AMBER 10
    WELTON HAWKES BAY 15
    WELTON AMBASSADOR Total 26
    WELTON CHARDONNAY MERLOTS MAGIC 7
    WELTON SOPHISTICAT 4
    WELTON CHARDONNAY Total 11
    WELTON CRACKERJACK CYBER PEARL 17
    FLYING PHANTOM 14
    FUTURE PROMISE 7
    WELTON CRACKERJACK Total 38
    WELTON FLEETWAY BALLYS BOY 3
    WELTON FLEETWAY Total 3
    WHITE CLOVER CLOONBARRY CLOVER 28
    WHITE CLOVER Total 28
    WHITE STAR JUNIOR II 4
    WAYGAARD 4
    WHITE STAR Total 8
    WINDSPIEL WESTCOAST 13
    WINDSPIEL Total 13
    WOLFHOUND SONNE DE LOUP 1
    WOLFHOUND Total 1
    YASHGAN ROCK STAR 3
    YASHGAN Total 3
    YOUNG CONVINCED YOUNG RUSTY 7
    YOUNG CONVINCED Total 7
    YOUNG EDMOND RUFUS STONE 9
    YOUNG EDMOND Total 9
    ZAFFRANS SONG MORE LUCK 7
    ZAFFRANS SONG Total 7
    ZAREWITSCH ZANTOS 8
    ZAREWITSCH Total 8
    ZHVAGO CHANCE AFFAIR II 12
    ZHVAGO Total 12
    Grand Total 9550
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waterwitch View Post
    McKinlaigh is half RID by pedigree, slightly less in blood due to TB behind some of the RIDs (but McKinlaigh is a gelding unfortunately!).
    IIRC, he's about 5/8ths TB, between 1/2 and 3/4.

    But again, the half-bred is not the norm at Advanced eventing.



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    Quote Originally Posted by stolensilver View Post
    I have a couple of queries about Jaguar Mail. Firstly he's very tall at 17.1 for an event sire. Most eventers are smaller, 16-16.2hh probably because smaller horses tend to stay sounder. Secondly he's covered over 1000 mares and is now 12 years old so his oldest offspring should be 7 yet he doesn't appear on any of the sire lists of winning 5, 6 and 7yo eventers. Perhaps there are good reasons for this but if I had the OPs mare I'd be more likely to choose a proven sire not one who has had many big books of mares with nothing yet to show for it.

    Here is the full analysis of eventers that won points in 2008 in the UK and who sired them. Jaguar Mail is conspicuously absent.

    Do you know that his oldest offspring bred for eventing are 7? 12 is young for a performance stallion. Most of the eventing stallions do not prove themselves until they are OLD. To me, he is a good looking sire. His TB line is a proven jumping line. I reserve my judgement for how good of an eventing sire he is for a few more years. For example....My Aberjack mare is just turning 7 and out of one of his first crops here in the US. Everyone put him down as not producing anything...but just now, his offspring, at least here in the states are making their way up the levels. Several are doing well at the Prelim level this year and in a few years I bet some of them will be at Advanced. But at that point....he will be an old man. Not all horses are ready to run at Prelim (or Novice in the UK) at age 5 or 6 (which I believe is the level you need to be at to earn points). And if we only bred to "proven" horses.....how would younger sires become proven. I think you look at your mare (and the offspring they produce) and look at the sire and his pedigree and then look at what traits his offspring seem to have to see if it would be a good match for your mare.
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    What about Windfall?

    Tzigane? He's competing at Grand Prix.



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    In the UK there are age classes for young eventers and the results and the breeding are collated. Jaguar Mail does not appear on those lists for 2008. All I'm saying is that I want to wait longer before deciding whether JM is going to be a good event sire. He's had plenty of foals and to see none of them coming through in the 4,5 or 6yo classes makes me wonder.



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    Quote Originally Posted by stolensilver View Post
    I have a couple of queries about Jaguar Mail. Firstly he's very tall at 17.1 for an event sire. Most eventers are smaller, 16-16.2hh probably because smaller horses tend to stay sounder. Secondly he's covered over 1000 mares and is now 12 years old so his oldest offspring should be 7 yet he doesn't appear on any of the sire lists of winning 5, 6 and 7yo eventers. Perhaps there are good reasons for this but if I had the OPs mare I'd be more likely to choose a proven sire not one who has had many big books of mares with nothing yet to show for it.
    I believe Jaguar Mail's oldest offspring are in France and have done well there.

    Jaguar Mail's sire, the US TB Hand in Glove, was a very large horse. 17.2hh and stout. But he did race as a young horse, then did FEI dressage and showjumping.



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    Quote Originally Posted by JER View Post
    But what an event breeder is looking for is the right kind of athleticism. Not a horse that's an 'almost' at straight dressage or showjumping. You need efficient movement (as opposed to knee action), a ground-covering canter and gallop, and a forward, efficient jump. This is different than what you might want for a top GP SJ or dressage horse.
    If this is true, why are event horse breeders like Denny buying top jumping bred horses as prospective breeding stock? Didn't he purchase a number of young horses from Fermebeaulieu Farm?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TKR View Post
    What about Steurt Pittman's fabulous stallion - Salutely? He's a proven producer.
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    I think you mean Salute The Truth (though he's by Salutely) As has been noted about some other stallions on here, he is still rather "young" - his first crop which is very small, are just now turning 8. He's got some younger offspring out there now competing and doing well at Preliminary and lots more at Novice and Training. One six-year old just completed his first CCI* with Buck Davidson and will hopefully do more soon. Of course, we're hoping for several to make it to Advanced - but it hasn't happened, yet! Thanks for suggesting him, though - we are rather partial to him

    By the way - this is an interesting thread. We've got one daughter of Salute The Truth (out of a mare that was full sister to Reputed Testamony) that we are considering breeding and have looked at a lot of the stallions from EMCO. There are several on here we hadn't looked at, though...I love looking at stallions. The stallion-shopping is nearly as much fun as the foals that result from the breedings!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waterwitch View Post
    If this is true, why are event horse breeders like Denny buying top jumping bred horses as prospective breeding stock? Didn't he purchase a number of young horses from Fermebeaulieu Farm?
    Because the youngstock in question have the qualities that would make them good event horses and producers of quality 21st century event horses. Denny knows what he's doing.

    Just to use some obvious examples, King of Diamonds and Cavalier Royale and Touchdown were excellent sires of showjumpers and eventers. But among the youngstock, some would have qualities that would push them in one direction or the other. If a horse has a big jump but hovers over fences and has a canter with a lot of up-and-down, you'd point him toward straight showjumping. If a horse covers the ground well but isn't as careful or as extreme in jumping ability, you'd make him a derby horse or an eventer. But don't kid yourself about making the time on that heavy horse who hangs in the air and canters like a dressage horse.

    (And just as obvious, if you want a jumper or eventer, than the TB Laurie's Crusader is not for you. If you want dressage horse from your WB mare, have at it.)

    To be successful at Advanced, a horse needs to be able to make the time and recover well enough for the next day. The qualities that allow the horse to do that aren't a mystery at all. You can breed for them or you can go searching through youngstock to find them. If you're buying them as breeding stock, you'll review their pedigree to see if they are what you usually get from those lines.



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    I'd like to complement the responders, this is probably the most intelligent, thoughtful thread (including data and facts, no less) that I've ever seen on this forum.

    We've done Riverman and Windfall, both are outstanding on TB mares. Both sire personality, as well!



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